Say NO to State Religion


This Initiative has been started by Ghulam Mustafa Lakho, Advocate, High Court of Sindh, Karachi.

Follow the link below to show your support for the campaign to amend the article 2 of the Constitution of Pakistan:


Say NO to State Religion

204 Responses “Say NO to State Religion” →
  1. My dear Awais Masood Sahib,
    I am glad to see this link here. Thank you for this act of kindness.
    Regards,
    G M Lakho

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    • Lakho Saab, I Congratulate you for this great initiative. We are with you..

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      • My dear Waheed Sahib,
        Thank you for your congratulations and for your support. Of course, I count on your support.
        With best wishes and profound regards.
        Yours truly,
        G M Lakho

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    • I say NO to religion in the politics of Islam. My full support to this site developer.
      Islamic state CANNOT be a secular state.

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      • My dear Nadia,
        Thank you for saying NO to Islam as the State Religion of Pakistan. I am glad to see that you are one of the honorable co-supporters of this campaign. Take care.
        With best wishes and profound regards.
        Yours truly,
        G M Lakho

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        • Dear Mustafa,
          Please carry on this fight. If not we, but somewhere our next generation will enjoy the result of our struggle.

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          • My dear Nadia,
            Thank you for saying such words. You are strong source of my strength. I count on your support. You are one of the honorable co-fighters in this fight against the bug of State Religion. Let our generation “enjoy the result of our struggle”. I am sure that this job is doable even for our generation. Now, it is possible for you to move with the speed of light. You can make the things happen within short span of time. You can take all the active, effective and meaningful steps carefully calculated to undo State Religion from the Constitution of Pakistan on or before 11th day of August 2011. There might be force in the saying that if there is Will there is a Way. Thus, it is possible for us to do this job. The first step to our journey might be to spread this message with the speed of light. Let all the civilized, honest, and peace loving people to DOCUMENT “say no to the State Religion” here on this website. You may be pleased to ascertain the facts as to what is preventing them from documenting such a “NO”. I am sure that the things will never remain same again. I am sure that the day will come soon when we all will “enjoy the result of our struggle”. Take care.
            With best wishes and profound regards.
            Yours truly,
            G M Lakho

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            • We are trying our best to educate people. The problem is that our eductaional institutions have brain washed our youth against modern education. They will suffer all their life, but will never see things critically. I suppose that it is the result of constant reinforcement of national and religious ideologies through text books and media.
              Secondly, there is so much pressure and fear for those who want to come out in the favor of secular state. There is no organization who can at least register these people and ensure their security.
              You and Awais Masood are exemplry people who have given us the forum and I really appreciate the courage that you have shown.

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              • Nadia I will appreciate your efforts of thinking unbiased and reading Holy Quran, hadith, with translations in language you understand and then think again…….being unbiased.

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                • I would like to suggest the same to you. Please read scripture without bias. And you will find that it should be a personal choice not a state order for everyone. State should be impartial about citizens right to live and adopt any religion/or no religion. Please read scripture without bias. There is so much for you to learn.

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                  • I am not saying that Personal Religion should be enforced to adopt, but no other religion has perfect system of everything except Islam, It has everything in it, all we need are wise people who can implement it properly in the state.

                    Islam does not says to force other people to accept Islam, I agree on that with you.

                    But tell me any perfect country which is doing great by its own.

                    USA? oh no
                    Canada?, germany?, japan?, china?, india?, Turkey?, etc? OH come on, all of these are suffering from problems of either education, economy, political, social, marriage issues, etc.

                    Democracy is secular, because democracy includes all, and opinion of all is always average, and average cannot give you the best result.

                    Islam neither suggest Democracy nor Dictatorship, rather Shurah!, group of wise people elected by public.

                    And if you are asking about any past succesful era of Islamic System then I suggest you to read the history of era of Hazrat Umar (R.A)

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                    • If USA, Canada, Germany, Japan etc. are doing as badly as Pakistan, and other Islamic countries, why are so many people running away from “Islamic” countries to these countries and why is no one doing the reverse? Making perfect the enemy of good is absurd. There is no perfect place. Your premise is a non sequitur. The reality is places where religion is strongly held in public sphere and people go around professing their faith, are also the places where corruption, hypocrisy, human rights violations, etc. are the highest.

                • What does the expression “thinking unbiased” mean? What does the expression “being unbiased” mean? Who has the authority and power to decide about it? None on this globe but you! It would be very difficult for sinful like us to prove that an animal with the name of “thinking unbiased’ exists in this world; it may be safe to say that all thinking is biased thinking in this world; however, the good news for you is that your thinking is always right and free from bias. There is no “unbiased thinking” but your thinking. In other words, in this world of “biased” thinking you are the only person with “unbiased thinking”. I wish that you may be pleased to keep your “unbiased thinking” in safe custody in your own interest for good and all, and that you would not pollute it by sharing it at wrong place or “biased” place.

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          • Taha Anwar

            June 7, 2012

            oh yeah….in HELL dat it 🙂 good luck bitches, 1 million lives werent given up for creating pakistan and letting u filthy, selfish, assholes make it a secular state.

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      • http://imranhosein.org/media/books/j_in_q.pdf

        Download this book…
        I bet you can’t understand it.

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        • It is not a crime if one fails to understand any book. One wonders as to why you have liked to post this link here for those who “can’t understand it” with the direction to “download” it. Does this book teach its readers to say no to the State Religion? If no; then, it may be wastage of your precious time to post it at wrong place. It may be your blind belief that you will win the “bet”; but a sane cannot say with certainty that all those who “can’t understand it”, as per your understanding, are gamblers.

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      • and Secular state cannot be a perfect state.
        Alhamdurillah Islam is complete system of all, including politics, education, economics, social, defense, minorities, and all remainings.
        All we need are people who can follow Islam as it says to follow it, not by their evil desires of power, its uses, and etc.

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        • What???

          March 25, 2013

          In which form we can see this ‘perfect’ system giving benefit to humanity. In health? (No Islamic country is giving free health care to Muslims) In education? (No Islamic country is contributing research evidence in education for all and it has never happened in the history of Islam) Politics? (Where is politics in Islamic states? These are all states in control of few powerful hands. There never has been a true sense of democracy seen in any of the Islamic countries. Economics? (Where is economics when majority of the money goes in the hands of Arab leaders. Interestingly they don’t even sell oil to other Muslim countries on low rates.)

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          • True that there is no current Muslim country which is doing perfect in the name of Islamic System, not because Islam isn’t perfect, but because people are not implenting it perfectly.

            You’ve talked about failed so called “Islamic System” countries now lets talk about other secular/democratic countries, hit me any country which is doing perfect in every field of life!.
            Any, anyone!!.

            Hit me any example and I will show you its major dominent problems and issues.

            Now lets talk about Islamic System Countries, first of all I agree that there isn’t any country doing perfect in every field of life with Islamic System, reason I’ve told you before.

            But if you will talk about history, then dear get your hands on the history, system and era of Hazrat Umar (R.A).

            It was the most perfect era history ever faced.

            If you will still argue, then I’ll highly suspect your reading, knowledge and believes on teaching/orders of ALLAH and his beloved last Prohphet (S.A.W).
            and I simply won’t answer/reply person who would do argue just to argue and to win knowing while he/she is wrong.

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    • Religion is based on total faith as compared to science which is the only fact. Religions are based on myths and stories therefore basing life and law on it is a recipe for disaster. Rational scientific thinking automatically leads to secularism which means that Govt has nothing to do with relegion. For Middle east people its OK to follow their religion because they invented them and its part of their culture. For pakistan to follow blindly (more than arabs) will only lead them to no progress. Historically Europeans were in dark ages when their life was controlled by christianity. Since they got rid of it, they have progressed and we are dependent on them.

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    • Mehmood Ahmed

      November 29, 2013

      Its not State Religion It our religion and it bullshit what you think because without religious identity the creation of Pakistan can not be justified. It Hindus who just misguided us about our country and religion.
      Thks

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  2. It’s a bold, but very appropriate initiative which could possibly challenge growing extremism in Pakistan! Congrats to all of you who took up the cause of Secular Pakistan.

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    • Allah aap logon pay rahm farmayea.

      Please think….what is extreamism…it’s not a relegion…or a school of thought…it is just a state of mind…which is temp. This will be changed as soon as the frustration is gone.

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      • No sir… this is not state of mind… rather its mind set… which is due to religion…. Religion do not tolerate any other truth…. Every religion claim to be ultimate truth and that the mind set which causes extremism.

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        • Farrukh Ali

          December 31, 2010

          Shazi Gul you must be an atheist. I don’t mind that because I don’t care as I shouldn’t, but, extremism is a state of mind and no religion teaches or support extremism. Grow up! & try to polish your ‘stucked-up’ intellectuality.

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        • Very early on in History people realize that relegion is a good tool to control people. Kings, priests and other people became mediators and messangers between gods and people. If more people belong to a certain belief system, the more successful that group became in procuring resources and as a result became dominent. The same is true in present times thats why different religions try to convert as many people.

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  3. Sorry Mike. We can’t say no. Pakistan was taken on the name of Islam. Islam is the only religion of Pakistan and all the decisions would be taken in the light of Islam.
    Those who say yes, need to think again of their enemy, who want to finish us only by removing our religion and our values. Without religion there can not be peace in the state.
    So, I say a complete No.

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    • @Nauman:

      You are totally wrong, Correct your history, there was no such thing as political Islam, when this country was taken.

      Secondly this doesn’t matter what this country is taken for, what matters is how can it survive, people with your mentality are making it difficult.

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    • I agree with Shazi Gul. To add more I will say there is no ultimate truth or final reality. Religions clain the definitive answers to elusive truths and realities and that is the cause of extremism. We try to adjust things and there comes a time where adjustment is not possible.

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      • I agree with nadia & shazi gul. If somethings are told to you over and over again since your childhood by many people around you, it appears to be true. Take the case of teachings in Maddarasahs. Its called brain washing. If one pakistani child is brought up in west under secular environment, he will become rational and secular and if a western child is brought up in pak maddarsah he will likewise end up becoming a Fanatic!

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    • for all of those people who argue that quid was a secular person. please correct your facts, he was a muslim. and the only argument that u hold from his speech; that people of pakistan backgrounding from any religion should be equal in stature is actually what the Quran has told us 1400 years ago. if Islam is already giving all the rights to minorities treating them as equal elimanating the concept of minority itself then why do u all disagree with the Islamic Republic of pakistan?
      and there are countless muslims being killed, government officials including. so why do u feel that once a christian minister is killed, it was done so on Islamic ideology. there are bad elements in pakistan defaming Islam purposefully. and the case of aasia bibi. it’s very simple; there should be a just government free of corruption or any political agenda. infact if following Islamic rules would fairly investigate if the said lady meant any purposefull insult towards the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) depending upon the intent should announce a sentence. giving out a loud message that ANY religion following person; say a muslim insults any other religion’s God or Prophets would be dealt even more harshly so nobody can point a finger at any other’s religion as this would only divide us like the Quran tells us. don’t u realize? since independence when has there been a problem between christians and muslims or any other religious people. it’s instances like these that is dividing us, schemed by international forces

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  4. Strip of the religion =No Pakistan

    PAKISTAN KA MUTLAB KIA = LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH
    PAKISTAN KA MAKSAD KIA = MUMAHHAD DRR RASUUL ALLAH

    any thing else is NOT AGREED! and is FAKE and war against ALLAH!

    I suggest you all secular one to STOP WAR AGAINST ALLAH ! or
    ALLAH knows best what will happen to you after this world.

    Dont forget you mission in this world ! you are here for something and that something is not secularism.

    HOPE YOU ALL GO BACK HOME AND START READING QURAN AND START ASKING ALLAH FOR GUIDANCE!

    Thank you

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    • Farm Boy!

      January 24, 2010

      PAKISTAN KA MUTLAB KIA = LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH
      PAKISTAN KA MAKSAD KIA = MUMAHHAD DRR RASUUL ALLAH

      you sound like belonging to “Jamat-e-fitna-e-modudiat”

      these words were never uttered by Quaid e Azam, its a construct of illeterate Mullahs, the trainners of suicide bombers. being secular it doesnt mean one is not religious, Islam is a religion for muslims to follow & not some state tool to ENFORCE upon,

      “thr is no compulsion in religion”

      you cannot force some one to do some thing,

      Swords can win territories but not hearts. Force can bend heads but not minds. ..

      Do not belittle Islam for the cause of ur Mullahs!@

      & please elaborate ur mission & ‘something’ that u wrote but dont have an iota of knowledge to describe it!

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      • when someone talks about making Pakistan an islamic state, it actually means that they are referring to the time of Rasool ALLAH and Khulfah Ar Rashideen. Prophet SAw said among the 7 major sins being UNJUST is one of them so no one is arguing about justice in western world is better or in the Muslim states. I cannot deny that Mullah’s tend to exaggerate the religious issues and not reluctant to fight over it..but this is not the true islam… We have lost our Heritage and are suffering due to that… Islamic States are not the true representative of Islam…but this is what we have to bring back… a western Historian said if Muslims were still ruling the world, the world would have been 500 years ahead in Technology and science. the point that all the muslims are missing is the Problems of Partisanship… and this has ruined us this is the reason why arabs faught against the Othmans and why we have internal wars and why we are in a condition we are right now. Islam cannot be blamed for it..it is the muslims to be blamed…. we still have a flawless Islamic Jurisprudence and System and we could still reach our full potential when we are Following Ad-Deen Al-HAQ. and implementing in our state… i understand why someone would fear theocracy but the reality is that Western and Christian Theocracies have made a bad name for all theocracies but the reality is that Islamic theocracy have never been unjust or brutal.

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        • Dear Shoaib,

          I second your opinion. A true Islamic state is no less than a secular state. If we understand the true preachings of Islam then I guess this discussion will be invalid and void.

          Peace.

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    • If you are so much faithfull, why are you so afraid to mention your name ASQ sahib (momin kise say nahin darta siway Allah kay!.. i guess you forget this)

      Just for your information this slogan was raised by Kath Mullahs like yourself at that time as well, who came to Pakistan with the great Qaid in search of halwa and God knows what other haramipana.

      You go back home and tell the same to your mullah family (but that is only after you have done beating your women) and blasting innocent school children.

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    • What is State? In simple words, State means force. State means force of Army. State means force of Police. State means force of Rangers. State means force of spying agencies or intelligence agencies, i.e., force of F.I.A., force of I.B., force of I.S.I., force of M.I., etc., etc. State means force of law. Religion, if true, should not borrow the support of state force. Religion, if true, must stand on its own legs. In other words, a true believer one cannot impose upon others his religion by force including the force of state.

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    • Exactly ASQ, as Pakistan is the only state in current era which was developed just for a proper Islamic system, not for being secular.

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  5. A big NO to State Religion. Keep up the good work.
    These bigots (like ASQ) don’t even know what islam is and why pakistan was created, their belief system is based on hearsay.

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  6. well one thing i know that you are not the maker of Pakistan for Sure!

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  7. ALLAH KNOWS BEST AND HE IS THE BEST PLANNER OF ALL!

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  8. It seems a reasonable request based on the absolute state of chaos in Pakistan. Chaos which has arisen by the State’s desire to focus on empty religious propaganda and a paranoid world view rather than solving the problems of the people. It’s best for the State to be accountable to all its citizens and not hide behind emotional appeals to religion.

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  9. Wht rubbish SECULAR PAKISTAN…. v got our homeland on LAILAHA ILLALLAH, this is d soul of our land.. 2 hell with ur secularism. as far as d quote at top (Quaid e Azam’s quote) is concerned, this is wht Islam teaches us, i respect all the religions n cant force any1 to b a Muslim, every1 is free to practice their religion… ur SECULAR AMERICA is killing million of Muslims, Ur SECULAR INDIA killed Muslims, Christians n Sikhs n whtelse ur SECULAR WORLD is doing… i want an ISLAMIC PAKISTAN like that of Hazrat Umar’s state in which rulers n leaders were accountable in4nt of public, hazrat umar said “even if a stray dog dies of hunger in my jurisdiction, God will hold me responsible on the Day of Judgement”… no secularism, only ISLAM is d solution. n we will fight if forced, INSHALLAH.

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    • Farm Boy!

      January 24, 2010

      all you mullas know is to fight! fight ! eat! eat! protrude out bellies & letting dogs die of hunger, the dog dies because ur mullahs eat thr share of the meal too, just to get more cushion for pushing!

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    • Farm Boy!

      January 24, 2010

      all you people are taught by ur bigot Mullah is to fight! fight! eat! eat! & grow fat bellies to get more cushion for pushing!

      tell your Mullahs to leave the dogs share or else they will die hungery!

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      • 🙂
        m not here to have these kind of arguments…u can go on with this attitude… its not harming me or any1 at all but u 🙂 such frustration due to lack of ability to do something is not good 4 ur health…
        but i would love to talk to u if u put some facts n not ur personal opinion n filthy baseless comments…
        Allah Bless u

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    • Syed Yasir

      January 31, 2010

      @Ahsan,
      Do you really understand what is the meaning of LAILAHA ILLALLAH ? not the literary meanings but the depth of it and then see where we are taking our state…

      Look into western states, they are by their practice more Islamic than so called Islamic states, they are not against the Islam as Religion. In general, they never bother even if you preach and promote your religion, or practice your religion in their countries, where as in Islamic countries you fight and kill each other because they doesnot belongs the your sect.

      Secular States are more Islamic in terms of practicing justice, basic human needs. You think that Allah needs your verbal faithfulness to Islam..NO. Allah will reward you against your actions. Give me 10 True Islamic principles you are using in running your government by practice when Claiming its an ISLAMIC STATE.

      I am not saying that Secular State can be better than Islamic State….but the problem is that where is Islam in your Islamic States, we say that state is Islamic yet we execute things as per our wishes..it is just disgracing the name of Islam. Secular State may provide 25% of equality and Justice what Islam Provides but in reality Islamic States are not even providing 5% of what secular states are providing..
      On killing West of Muslim…Have you forgot Saudis working with British to demolish Ottoman Empire, Have you forgot war against IRAN and IRAQ, Have you forgot Taliban harvesting drugs and providing means to killing millions of people around the world, half of them are Muslims, have you forgot your own religious leaders giving Fatwas of killing each other…think about these before you give blame to West…When you are killing your own people, do you think other will come and protect you…Muslims are their own worst enemy, not West.

      If you are such a believer then you will need to pure yourself first, stop using Islam or Quran to cover dark face of our state in the Name of Islam. Its better to have a secular state then disgracing the Name of Islam.

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    • Syed Yasir

      January 31, 2010

      @Ahsan: Last thing, You gave example of time of Hazrat Umer RAA. Please note that at that time It was not government, It was Khilafat E Muhammadiayya and all Muslims in the world were united on the hand and under the Divine Guidance of Khalifa and that was the secret of Islamic Strength, Peace and Prosperity. Now this is what we are missing at our time. Muslims are not united and others are taking advantage of it. Islamic countries have their own interest rather than Interest of Islam.
      YES, If Muslims find Khilafat and Unite on one hand then we can again rule the world by walking on the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

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      • LAILAHA ILLALLAH means “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH” whether u see it in literal or DEEEEP meaning….

        i m really SURPISED by ur statement “Look into western states, they are by their practice more Islamic than so called Islamic states”… i agree there is NO TRUE ISLAMIC STATE IN THE WORLD, not even PAKISTAN’S modern structure, our IDEOLOGY is ISLAMIC not our present system, thats wht i talk about….but u must b kidding man by calling west islamic….

        ok 4 a moment lets talk about DEEEEEEP meaning of LAILAHA ILLALLAH (which basically is just a concept of tauheed).. but ok 4 d sake of argument tell me, (1)present economic system is based upon RIBA, is this LAAILAHA ILLALLAH? (2) moral corrution in west, is this LAAILAHA ILLALLAH?? (3) financial corruption all over the world through diffrent mediums (like IMF) to exploit poor states, is this LAAILAHA ILLALLAH?? (4) genocide of muslims all over the world, is this LAAILAHA ILLALLAH?? n so on n on n on…

        n who harvested drugs?? TALIBAN?? lolz, may b u need to study a looooooot about facts. not made by me but available in books n reports, not wrote by taliban but by ur great west authors… world is outside ur cnn n bbc or tv, so get out of it n do some research by urslf…

        n u stated “Please note that at that time It was not government, It was Khilafat E Muhammadiayya………….YES, If Muslims find Khilafat and Unite on one hand then we can again rule the world by walking on the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).”…
        i think inshort u r trying to say that a man will come n say “hey m khalifa, nice to meet u, lets get united”. i think this example is expressive enough…..

        n brother we dont need democracy dictatorship khilafat or whtever to walk on footsteps of Muhammad (SAW). dont mix way of governing to way of living. Islam is the FINAL REVEALED DEEN of Allah, it is valid till Qyamat. it cover all the aspects of life. v cant change this system in a day but wht i believe is “JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP”..
        Allah Nigeh Baan

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        • and plz dont mix the comment in my post “brother we dont need democracy dictatorship khilafat or whtever to walk on footsteps of Muhammad (SAW)” with Secularism… my context is “INDIVIDUAL’s WAY OF LIVING n INDIVIDUAL’s MATTERS (like zakat, Salah, Roza etc)”… so governancer n Law should b in accordance of shariah, n if this is not the case, u can still perform ur individual matterz as per teachings of Prophet (SAW)..
          n i have no idea wht problem people have with ISLAMIC STATE, believe me in true islamic state EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS ALLOWED TO PRACTICE HIS/HER RELIGION, N IF SOMEONE STOPS HIM TO FOLLOW HIS RELIGION, THAT STOPPER IS GOING AGAINST THE TEACHING OF ALLAH n PROPHET (SAW)…
          Allah Hafiz

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      • Brother first of all it was not divine in any sense thats gonna be shirk to say that. and also when someone talks about making Pakistan an islamic state, it actually means that they are referring to the time of Rasool ALLAH and Khulfah Ar Rashideen. Prophet SAw said among the 7 major sins being UNJUST is one of them so no one is arguing about justice in western world is better or in the Muslim states. I cannot deny that Mullah’s tend to exaggerate the religious issues and not reluctant to fight over it..but this is not the true islam… We have lost our Heritage and are suffering due to that… Islamic States are not the true representative of Islam…but this is what we have to bring back… a western Historian said if Muslims were still ruling the world, the world would have been 500 years ahead in Technology and science. the point that all the muslims are missing is the Problems of Partisanship… and this has ruined us this is the reason why arabs faught against the Othmans and why we have internal wars and why we are in a condition we are right now. Islam cannot be blamed for it..it is the muslims to be blamed…. we still have a flawless Islamic Jurisprudence and System and we could still reach our full potential when we are Following Ad-Deen Al-HAQ

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    • S.Taha Rizvi

      January 1, 2011

      The problems lies when you define what Islamic laws will be.
      Will Pakistan follow debandi school of thought or Shias or the Hanifis.
      The mullahs can’t agree on what are Islamic Laws and according to some schools of thought people of other sects are wajibul-qatal.

      Islam during the Prophets(S.A.W) time and after it was in its purest form. But since the ulema cant agree on what is was, A Islamic state
      with harmony is not possible.
      By the way, aspects of Islam are secular in nature for e.g : freedom to practise your religion, freedom of worship, no compulsion in religion and equality of rights of citizens.

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  10. I 100% Agree with “Ahsan”!

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  11. thank u ASQ… n i think so secularism is JAHANNUM KA QANOON (law of hell) , coz i think so JAHANNUM (hell) is the only place where there is no concern to which religion u belong to….. so open ur minds n ask 4 HIDAYAT 4m ALLAH. i pray 4 u all

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  12. i am against theocracy in pakistan like in iran ,in the name of islam
    but i cannot say , no to state religion.
    because i am against the idea of secular state.
    because due to different bioess in human nature practical secularism is impossible.
    and when secularism adopt practical face in state.
    it also produce same projecdice, as produced by 10 century chiristainity.
    so my answer is YES TO DEEN (QURAN) BASED STATE.
    AND NO TO DOMATIC RELIGION BASED STATE

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  13. Islam is the only solution to all problems and It is 110% effective when completely implemented. and it respects all religions and gives them equality but as far as law is concerned its for all religions, rich or poor, black or white. (Equality as west isn’t it?Really?@Awais Sahib)

    I am sure about one thing WEST is just a show piece and all the things there work like a fishing hook/trap! If it was soooo good why shifted to paper money at first? and forcefully change others systems?and Wars without any proof? and also always supporting Israel? I wish Mr. Awais had studied the history from good ppl if he had studied it. Atleast from good neutral scholars.

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  14. @Nasir

    if you can justify the other side do it?
    or just be another copy cat!!

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  15. zulfiqar mirani

    January 4, 2010

    Today, people of Pakistan are left with two choices Pakistan or Fundamentalism. Those who like the country to exist must give up religious state (Islamic republic of Pakistan), anf lay foundation of new country on the basis of universally accepted principles.

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  16. Nusrat Pasha

    January 16, 2010

    Why do proponents of theocracy seek to limit “laa ilaaha illallah” to the confines of Pakistan ? This is a very robust disservice to Religion. The Holy Quran intoduces Allah to us as Rabb ul aalameen. If anything, the slogan deserves to be rephrased as “Aalameen ka matlab kya laa ilaaha illallah”. The entire Cosmos is a sign of Allah. The whole Universe glorifies God. So why limit something as boundless as “laa ilaaha illallh” to the boundaries of Pakistan ?

    Sometimes in our urge to serve Religion, we inadvertently end up doing a disservice. For a change, let us do some service to both Religion and the Country by keeping religion out of politics and politics out of religion.

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    • InvitationtoIslam

      October 11, 2010

      The first part of your argument is completely correct of course you are right, however the flaw in your argument is that your conclusion is not valid.

      For example suppose that an elite decided to dumb down world citizens so that they could be more easily manipulated and decided to ruin their reasoning skills by introducing quasi science in place of reality. Suppose the Chinese resisted by maintaining good education and introduced a motto “The meaning of china is we are wise teachers and learners” do you really think that they would be content to be imbeciles like everyone else merely because someone correctly said that ,”wisdom is for everyone and not just Chinese” and then incorrectly drew the conclusion that China should remove wisdom from its education system?

      Going back to the point, surely the solution is for Pakistan to be a model Islamic State, which then attracts people to Islam by its example and strives to bring laa ilaaha ill Allah Muhammadun rasool Allah to the world.

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  17. CincoRios

    January 22, 2010

    My relationship with my maker is personal. My religion is my business. It is not the state’s business to promote religion. Yes it is the state’s business to provide security, education, shelter, economic progress and to build a nation around that. Whether Pakistan becomes secular or not there needs to be less talk of religion and more of progress. Ordinary Pakistanis dont need to be told how to be good followers; they do the best given the circumstances.

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  18. Fundamentalism, Religion and Extremism has no place in matter of states. Say No to Religion, Say No to Extremists!!

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    • Bin Ismail

      February 8, 2010

      @waheed

      Say NO to Extremists. Don’t say NO to Religion. Religion is supposed to be the fountainhead of love and benevolence. So don’t say NO to Religion. Say NO to ‘State Religion’.

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      • @Bin Ismail:

        If you live in Pakistan, than you must know that religion here is neither the source of love nor benevolence.

        There is no religious public figure on credibility who is opposing extremism in Pakistan, Allow me repeat here

        Say No to Religion, Say No to Extremism!!

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        • Bin Ismail

          February 19, 2010

          Let’s not confuse Religion with Maulvi. The two are poles apart. Religion teaches love, mercy and benevolence. Maulvi teaches intolerence and hatred.

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          • If religion was source of love and mercy, than it would be impossible for so many fundamentalists and extremists to derive the motivation for violence from the same religion.

            You have to target the right reasons, if you want to cure this mess..

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            • Bin Ismail

              February 23, 2010

              @waheed

              It is indeed ironical that those known as ‘fundamentalists’ are actually the ones who depart from the fundamentals of religion – mercy and benevolence. A twisted mind will interpret the most beautiful of teachings in the ugliest way. And if this twisted mind finds its way into politics, twisted interpretations will begin to influence legislature, and that’s hell. That is why the very concept of State Religion is dangerous. Religion can prove very useful for self-reform as well as for the society in the form of peaceful associations. Religion is religion and clergy is clergy. The clergy is never religious, it is the exploiter of religion.

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              • The believers are absolutely certain on what they believe. Now this means that they are absolutely available to the interpreter of the religion the so called religious scholar. He can use them whatever way he finds useful.

                This is a disgrace for a human, who blocks his mental capacity by believing something as absolute certainty.

                We need modern, analytical and rational minds, a rational person is moral as well, morality is native to human beings, there is no useful role left for humanity, it is only used for bad means..

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                • Bin Ismail

                  February 26, 2010

                  Point taken. To question man’s right to believe in something with absolute certainty, would itself be irrational. What needs to be examined is the factors that lead one to certainty. Even in the temporal sphere, we are certain of many things. Certainty can be based on logical deduction, observation and personal experience. This is something common to the material as well as spiritual world.

                  If a believer is incapable of distinguishing between a good guide and a bad one, then he is doomed to pay the price of his handicap. Even in the worldly sphere, if someone lends his money to the wrong guy he won’t get it back. That does not mean that lending money is bad. It simply means that you picked the wrong guy.

                  Further trials with mullahs are not justified because they’ve proven themselves unworthy. Religion sans Clergy can be a very beautiful and yet rational thing.

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                  • You said:

                    “To question man’s right to believe in something with absolute certainty, would itself be irrational.”

                    You are not getting the point here, it’s not the matter of “someone’s right”. The purpose of questioning is just to show, it’s dogmatic nature.

                    People often are certain about the physical world and other stuff, one can talk about, Do they have the enough reasons to do so? That is a question of epistemology.

                    But the real problem appears, when one starts to apply that’s absolute certainty in moral domain due to there absolute certain religious belief, that’s the place from where an extremist derives the license to kill, who he thinks is not right, and since he is absolutely certain, so there is no point in talking or everything else.

                    Religion is doing no service to humanity.

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                    • Bin Ismail

                      February 27, 2010

                      Good. But once again you’re mixing up Religion with Clergy. Thank you for raising the issue of dogmatism. This is precisely what I’m saying: dogmatism is an attribute of Preisthood.

                      The anti-religion lobby can be as capable as the Mulla in exercising rigidity and in being dogmatic. So irrationality, dogmatism, fanaticism and violence are simply tools available to all extremists, be they Mullahs or Athiest’s. Atheists too can be fanatical and violent. Stalin literally terminated the lives of thousands of humans just to establish his Godless philosophy and atheistic system.

                      I maintain: Preisthood is doing no service to humanity, but Religion is.


  19. malik javed iqbal advocate

    February 9, 2010

    a secular,liberal ,democratic ,modern and progressive pakistan is the state which can better prosper and progress side by side the nations of the world.we need pluralism and not a monolithic society.we need a system which is being followed all over the world rather than divine untested system which prevails over will of humanity.in fact will of the people is will of god.we have to get rid of all kinds of religious based legislation.in my opinion parliment can not be entrusted job of deciding faith of the masses.everyone of us is pakistani first and last and nothing else.each and every citizen of this state should have equal rights and none must be compelled to become second class citizen.humanity is more important than religion.since this world is for human beings so its affairs should be in exclusive control of them and sole decision making authority should vest in them.

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  20. Nusrat Pasha

    February 10, 2010

    On a general note, the whole idea of an ideological state and a State Religion is a fallacy. While a state or nation-state has physical boundaries, a religion has spiritual dimensions. So essentially, State and Religion are two distinctly separate spheres which coexist, but do not overlap.

    On a more specific note, with reference to the identity and genesis of Pakistan, the entity at risk was not the Religion of Islam, but rather the Muslim-majority states of the Sub-continent. After having exhausted all possibilities of securing a promising economic future for these states within an Undivided India, the persistently rigid and unaccommodating attitude of the Congress left Quaid-e-Azam with no other choice but Pakistan. The smaller bloc of the Muslim-majority states were at risk of being socially and economically subdued by the larger conglomerate of the Hindu-majority states. So, Pakistan was created not in the name of Islam, but rather in pursuance of a secure political, economic and social future for the inhabitants of the states that eventually became Pakistan.

    There is a colossal difference between creating a country in the name of Islam and pursing a secure social and economic future for Muslim-majority states.

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  21. Bin Ismail

    February 12, 2010

    Among all the nations of South Asia, we have to admit that Bangla Desh has lately shown the most impressive signs of pragmatism. While Militant Mullaism is on the rise in Pakistan with suicide bombings on a daily basis and Shiv Sena and other Hindu fanatical movements in India are eating away whatever was left of the mythical Indian secularism, Bangla Desh is showing renewed signs of a renaissance. Bangla Desh started off with Secularism, got temporarily derailed, but then was quick in correcting itself, and has now reoriented itself towards a secular outlook by repealing the 5th amendment of its constitution. Pakistan and India, both can learn a lot from Bangla Desh.

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  22. Nusrat Pasha

    February 12, 2010

    The Holy Quran aims at inculcating an attitude of tolerance, accommodation and acceptance with complete and absolute religious freedom for all. The Quran is in its very mood and attitude a ” Peace Mongering ” scripture. The following references deserve attention :

    1: ” There is NO coercion in matters of religion. ” (2:256 )
    2: ” Whoever chooses to believe LET him believe and whoever chooses to disbelieve LET him disbelieve ” (18:29)
    3: ” Permission to fight is given ONLY to those against whom war is waged, because they have been wronged ” (32:39).
    4: ” Your religion is for you and my religion is for me ” (109:6)

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  23. S. Linganath

    February 17, 2010

    Request You all to go through the following site:

    http://www.ntpi.org/

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  24. Nusrat Pasha

    February 25, 2010

    As late as November 14, 1946, which means merely 9 months prior to independence, Jinnah said, “….I am NOT fighting for Muslims, believe me, when I demand Pakistan.” Jinnah pursued Pakistan neither in the name of Islam, nor exclusively for Muslims. You see, Quaid-e-Azam was more than willing to endorse an undivided India, which he openly did when he accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan. The Congress leadership, not Jinnah wriggled out of this last chance of keeping India undivided. All that Quaid-e-Azam wanted was to ensure that the social and economic interests of the conglomerate of the Muslim-majority states remained secure. This was an assurance that Gandhi, Nehru and Patel were not willing to extend. The weaker and smaller conglomerate of the Muslim-majority states was at risk of being economically subdued by the larger and more prosperous conglomerate of the Hindu-majority states. So, Pakistan was created neither in the name of Islam, nor exclusively for Muslims, but rather in pursuance of a secure economic future for the Muslim-majority states of the Subcontinent. By any standards, Jinnah was perfectly right – morally, legally and politically right – in doing so.

    CONCLUSION: Jinnah did not pursue Pakistan in the name of Islam, as is commonly claimed. There is a huge difference between creating a state in the name of Islam and securing a safe economic future for the economically vulnerable Muslim-majority states of the subcontinent. Therefore, State Religion comes nowhere in the scheme of things, when we talk with reference to Pakistan. So, please SAY NO TO STATE RELIGION.

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    • Keep it up Nusrat.
      Religious authorities misrepresent Jinnah. They reappropriate Islam according to their desire and prevent economic growth of Pakistan.
      Women is the most victimized group in our country and recent incident of a man marrying two women at the same time is nothing but promiscuity in the name of religion. I am surprised how easy it is for us to be shameless and yet religious.

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  25. Brother first of all it was not divine in any sense thats gonna be shirk to say that. and also when someone talks about making Pakistan an islamic state, it actually means that they are referring to the time of Rasool ALLAH and Khulfah Ar Rashideen. Prophet SAw said among the 7 major sins being UNJUST is one of them so no one is arguing about justice in western world is better or in the Muslim states. I cannot deny that Mullah’s tend to exaggerate the religious issues and not reluctant to fight over it..but this is not the true islam… We have lost our Heritage and are suffering due to that… Islamic States are not the true representative of Islam…but this is what we have to bring back… a western Historian said if Muslims were still ruling the world, the world would have been 500 years ahead in Technology and science. the point that all the muslims are missing is the Problems of Partisanship… and this has ruined us this is the reason why arabs faught against the Othmans and why we have internal wars and why we are in a condition we are right now. Islam cannot be blamed for it..it is the muslims to be blamed…. we still have a flawless Islamic Jurisprudence and System and we could still reach our full potential when we are Following Ad-Deen Al-HAQ. and implementing in our state… i understand why someone would fear theocracy but the reality is that Western and Christian Theocracies have made a bad name for all theocracies but the reality is that Islamic theocracy have never been unjust or brutal.

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    • Bin Ismail

      February 28, 2010

      @Shoaib

      1. You have said: “…we still have a flawless Islamic Jurisprudence…”

      There are 4 schools of Islamic Jurisprudence, prevailing among the Sunnis: Hanafi, Shafi’i, Maaliki and Hambali. There is the Jaafari school which is generally endorsed by the Shias. The law of a state has to cater for the legal needs of all its citizens alike. With 5 different interpretations of Islamic law available at the state level, a theocratic set-up would slow down the proccess of Justice. And then who would be interpreting at the court level? The Maulvi?

      2. You have said: “…Islamic theocracy have never been unjust of brutal.”

      The most recent instance we have for objective examination is that of the Taliban Regime in Afghanistan. Do you seriously think they were not unjust or brutal?

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  26. Bin Ismail

    March 1, 2010

    In my opinion, a secular state can be described along the following lines:

    #1: Secularism does not at all mean an anti-God, anti-religion, Godless or religionless system.
    #2: Secularism simply means that the state will not hold the religious affiliation of the citizen to the advantage or disadvantage of the citizen.
    #3: There will be no State Religion in place.
    #4: No particular religion or adherents of a particular religion will enjoy state-granted privileges, exclusive to that religion.
    #5: Adherents of all religions, without exception will enjoy equal civil rights and have equal civil responsibilities.

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  27. excellent job. I love the idea of secular Pakistan. Religon and state affairs are two very different things I believe. They should be kept separate for Pakistan to thrive. Separation of powers is also a must for a country democracy to run smoothly. The growing extremism in Pakistan must be countered very soon as it has affected millions in a a short period of time.

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  28. m.ahmed

    March 10, 2010

    I THINK U R THE AGENT OF AMERICA & THE BLOODDY ZIONISTS I HATE & STRONGLY CONDEMN UR THIS INITIATIVE

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    • Bin Ismail

      March 12, 2010

      @m.ahmad
      I think this initiative represents strong patriotism.

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  29. Nusrat Pasha

    March 12, 2010

    @m.ahmad

    Whose agents then, in your worthy opinion, would they be who added the prefix of “Islamic” before Republic of Pakistan, only to bring worldwide infamy and derision to the name of Islam?

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  30. It’s true there is not a single Islamic state on earth.On other hand there is not a single secular state either. The biggest self acclaimed secular states US and India are governed by Chiristianity/Judaism and Hinduism respectively.

    You guys are acting like a bunch of kids and tin soldiers wasting time on something which is not destined for Pakistan.

    Do something constructive and share your skills to grow pakistan. Acting like an idiot is not going to serve you at all

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    • US is NOT governed by ANY religion. Just because there are a majority of one religion, doesnt mean they ae governed by them.Most agree that religion should not govern a country, because it gives too much power to one entity(which is dangerous-look at Iran, the people there are leaving Islam silently because of its oppression). US is multi cultural, the laws are for everyone. Religions there live as neighbors and practice their faith in their home and faith based places of worship. In Saudia who are 99% Muslim( many wahhabi) , there is not fairness for all people, including women. I would prefer to honor fairness to all people because I believe our creator is a fair and loving God, not a descrimatory one who looks at me and says” I dont like your religion-change it! I dont like your color-change it! I dont like that youre a woman-change it! A loving God accepts us, forgives us, but encourages us to be better. Just as every parent or human being should be doing. Grow Pakistan as a FAIR STATE, loved by the world!

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  31. Bin Ismail

    March 24, 2010

    @Adnan

    Thank you for delivering this piece of news about the US and India. This revelation, although belated has added colour to this discussion. Welcome to the club of kids, tin soldiers and idiots.

    Dair hooi aanay mein tumko, shukr hai laikin aa’ey to

    May I most respectfully point out that:

    1. The respective constitutions of the US or India do not have any such article that defines a certain religion as the State Religion. Ours does.

    2. Even if their’s did, we are not obliged to follow them. Why not do whatever suits our existence? 62 years is time enough to understand that when religion is made part of politics, it is rendered ever-susceptible to misuse and abuse both by the clergy and by politicians.

    3. Despondency solves nothing. Please “do something constructive”.

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  32. Nusrat Pasha

    March 25, 2010

    An honest confession would be that we, as a nation, were a sinful lot even in 1947. The subsequent six decades have hardly seen us evolve into saints. The only difference caused and produced by attaching the prefix of “Islamic” is that our sins have been validated and our wrongdoings sanctified – nothing beyond this. Removing this undeserved prefix could actually be a service to Islam. In the name of Islam, let us spare the name of Islam.

    “Republic of Pakistan” is just perfect.

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  33. raheem

    April 2, 2010

    Only a Person has religion, Not an organization or association. So ofcourse Pakistan can not have a religion. There can be no religious state but only a sectarian state. Pakistan has not been an Islamic Republic but actually a Deobandi/Wahabi State since 1980. Its Islamiat curriculum, its jihadis are all Deobandi/Wahabi who have been used by the Army to fight proxy wars for their strategic interest while whole nation has been made to believe that Islam is under threat. Thus horrendous weapons have been given name such as Islamic Bomb & we’ve been made to believe that wars are about religion & not material interests.

    Islam has been misused by Pakistan Army & mullah Muslims to gain political power and for socio-economic gains. So Jamiat can beat teachers & students and control & destroy the largest university in the name of Islam. Mullahs can dominate by issuing fatwas in the name of Islam. Islamists & Jihadis can rule by harassing & killing respectively in the name of Islam.

    Without Islam as state religion, there will be de-militarization of Islam, as religion could no longer be used as source of political power. This does not mean that religion will not inform Muslim societies, quite the contrary only then we will produce scholars who would be able to critique society & suggest reforms so needed in our society because there will be freedom of thought & speech protected by the State.

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  34. I dont know much about article 2 of the constitution (better post it here for people like me) but anything by the state is a definate no, specially something this fishy…provoking religious intolerance as if we dont already have a host of issues to deal with.

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  35. Article 2 of the Constitution of Pakistan:

    2. Islam to be State religion

    Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan.

    2A. The Objective Resolution to form part of substantive provisions.

    The principles and provisions set out in the objectives Resolution reproduced in the Annex are hereby made substantive part of the Constitution and shall have effect accordingly.

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  36. Nusrat Pasha

    May 1, 2010

    THE WAY FORWARD:

    #1: Replace the Objectives Resolution, which presently serves as the Preamble of the Constituion, with the text [entire text verbatim] of Quaid-e- Azam’s historical 11th August 1947 presidential address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

    #2: Remove the undeserved prefix of “Islamic” before Republic of Pakistan. The name “Republic of Pakistan” is perfect.

    #3: Repeal Article 2 of the Constitution, which states that “Islam shall be the State Religion”, for the simple reason that it tilts the balance of justice in favour of the already privileged and secure majority. Thus, by making a robust departure from the fundamental Islamic principle of “Musawaat” or equality, the state, in any case violates the spirit of Islam.

    #4: Remove “all” religious content from the Constitution, whether included or endorsed by Acts of Parliament. Quaid-e-Azam’s following words should serve as the beacon:

    a) “….Religion should not be allowed to come into Politics …. Religion is merely a matter between man and God”. [Jinnah, Address to the Central Legislative Assembly, 7 February 1935]
    b) “….You may belong to any religion or caste or creed. That has nothing to do with the business of the State.” [Jinnah, Presidential address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi, 11 August 1947]

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  37. Abubakar Rehman

    May 12, 2010

    I have only 3 sentences to say to blog owner and the supporters.

    a) “Pakistan will be glorified by Islam (inshaAllah) and not the otherwise”

    b) “There is concept of Pakistan without Islam”

    c) “Khilafat is inevitable as told by Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)”

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/28765622/Excerpt-From-Alakh-Nagri-by-Mumtaz-Mufti

    I have 1 advice for all those that oppose the concept of the blog owner

    Start working for the establishment of ultimate system of justice of Islam which shall prevail in the world inshAllah. Be the ones that work for the establishment of that system.

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    • Repeal 1974 and 1984 amendment against Ahmadi Muslims…unjustly declaring them non-muslims. Who is a Mulla to say that an Ahmadi although he says La ilaha illallah muhammadurusulalla actually means something else in a hear. These Mullas are claiming to be God as only God knows what is in the hearts.

      By actions Ahmadis have supported the creation of Pakistan, have fought in Kashmir by serving the army, made a special force called the Furqan force in 1947 and 65 war with India to protect and defend the border in kashmir along with the army. Won the first Nobel prize any muslim had won. Zafrullah Khan was the head of security councel of UN…one of the highest posts in the world.

      Look at what the image of Pakistan was further enhanced in the world by Pakistani Ahmadis…and look now what pakistan has become after supressing their rights…

      The state of Pakistan under the mulla influence doesnt allow them to build mosques, say azaan: call of prayer…or even “pose as a muslim”. How blatant human rights violation is this. This is your interpretation of Islamic state? As a result intolerance by the Mullas have increased and gone beyond to our brother Shia Muslims and even Sunni mosques being targetted by terrorism. Two christians were recently murdered in court for heresy before the start of trial. Is this your meaning of Islam. Compare this with the life of our beloved Holy Prophet (pbuh).
      In reality the “Islamic” state of Pakistan has become the highest degree of disservice to Islam and the Holy Prophet (pbuh). As a result we are even being punished by God…see the devastation from floods throughout the country.

      Open your eyes people. Stand up for the rights of all minorities….religious and social freedom and justice. Lets reform our legal system!

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    • S.Taha Rizvi

      January 1, 2011

      Will your “ultimate system of justice” follow the hanafi school of thought or the shi’ites or the deobandis ??

      A secular Pakistan is the need of the hour, our incompetent mullahs can’t even agree on a single thing.

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    • And what if YOU are wrong? Do you really think a kind and loving ALLAH will want anyone to force others to submit their will to Islam? Or are you taking the opinion of a man or prophet? No one speaks for GOD. Many people have interpretted Gods words in different ways. But in many minds, a kind and loving God would not approve of killing in his name or killing to spread ONE BELIEF. God loves all people, he forgives them, he doesnt want us to hate, he wants us to love. He doesnt want us to think we are better for being of one religion, for even non believers are good people in the world. God will not judge them for not believing, he will judge them for hating others and killing in the name of religion. Anyone who preaches hatred or jihad is trying to control its people, to use them as warriors to spread THEIR word, NOT GODS. God loves all of us, equally. Thats where Muslims will wake up and learn the truth. People who act “dominating” like yourself are causing people to leave Islam. How would YOU like it if Christianity forced you to join? (They wouldnt) Or killed YOU for leaving it(they wouldnt). Because they believe in a KIND LORD. Just as majority of Muslims would like to believe in and a caliphate isnt going to win hearts in the world, it will create more hatred, destruction, war, and OPPRESSION and DICTATORSHIP. Most of Pakistani loves all people.Dont make people hate us more for trying to force religion on them. We can have religion in our homes. But we need fair laws for all in OUR COUNTRY.

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  38. shehyarqureshi

    May 16, 2010

    It is need of the day that we negate the religion as state ideology. We should have clear that Pakistan has established in indus valley, it was not a new country. We have to rewrite our history and redefine pour national identity.

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  39. Habibi

    May 26, 2010

    I whole heartedly support the move of Mr Ghulam Mustafa Lakho.
    It is my firm opinion that the survival of the State of Pakistan lies in this amendment.
    This will save us from all sorts of conflicts and provide us clearer vision and objective to live and progress as a State in the community of Nations of the world.

    Mahboob Habibi
    Islamabad

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  40. Ali from Karachi

    May 27, 2010

    I fully support his initiative of reverting Pakistan back to the vision of its founder: Quaid-e-azam

    Yours truly, with best wishes, from Karachi

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  41. My dear friends and supporters,
    I have the honor to read your kind views. I am glad to see that you have been pleased to support my campaign against the State Religion of Pakistan. Yet, I would like to request you to find time to post your kind comments on this website so that all the supporters of this campaign may be able to read the same.
    With best wishes and profound regards.
    Yours truly,
    G M Lakho

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    • Muslim

      June 28, 2010

      We are not at all pleased to support your campaign. It should rather be Say No To Secularism. How can you deny the blessings of your God? You’re breathing, talking, seeing, touching, feeling, all because of His blessings. How can you go against the Al-Mighty? Are you not afraid of His anger? How can you even think of such a cause being a Muslim? Should you not be spreading the word of Allah rather than turning away people from it? The world is merely an inn, where we are to stay for a limited time, the real life is of the hereafter, where Allah has promised the righteous Heaven and the non-believers Hell. Whatever we do in this world is being recorded. The good, the bad. We are taking our test and the results will determine where we will stand in the hereafter. Can you not for your Lord who has blessed you with so many things, be a little patient? Think over it.

      Islam should be the state religion. Say No To Secularism.

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      • I am very blessed by God. I follow his path of morality. But that is my choice. It is not up to me to make others think my way. There are also Muslims who preach Islam but dont walk that path. Some of them preach hatred, some of them preach jihad. Why would someone want to listen to this? I am Muslim, but I dont believe in these teachings, many of them coming from Madrasses. Many people are leaving Islam because of radicals and the teachings of hate. Because a loving God would be saddened by such actions.A LOVING God would tell you to seek dialogue with the enemy and show them a kinder response so you can be a good example to them. Youth are tiring of attempts of others to brainwash them.Islam is supposed to be the teacher of not being arrogant, yet many Msulms as yourself say”Islam is the only way and true religion, the best one”.So we are saying that other people and religions are not equal? I dont think ALLAH would like this. A loving God is forgiving, he isnt hateful or angry.He accepts all people.Why should anyone be afraid of his anger. You were taught that GOD will punish you, when in fact a loving God does not do this, he teaches forgiveness.He also teaches tolerance and loving our neighbor.Who is the non believer? He created us all, he knew we would have differences but he expects us to solve them peacefully.Non believers are human too, they are also loved BY GOD. God will judge us by our actions on earth, and even non believers can be kind and more caring than many believers. Who are WE as humans to judge anyone? Islam as a STATE is discrimatory to others, there are not equal provisions. Religion will be used as a power, and the only real power is our own self control and behaviors. Power should be fair to all people. Government should represent each person. God has blessed me, but even though I am Muslim, if I were NOT Muslim, I would still be the SAME good person. I shouldnt be killed for leaving it or converting(and dont say that doesnt happen).Do I want Islam to tell people what to do? Or do I want people to live under fair laws for all which are unrelated to religious bias? I VOTE NO to religion and state.

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  42. Tilsim

    July 1, 2010

    @ Muslim

    That’s the point. This website is not denying anything that you have said as far as being a Muslim is concerned. Quite the opposite. It is just denying the Salafist/ Hizb u Tahrir type ideology that you follow. Think about it and don’t confuse the two please.

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  43. Name one country that starts with Islamic Republic of (Fill any name) that’s successful and doesn’t have high number of human rights violation? The only reason Turkey is a success is cause it’s secular. No theocratic state of any religion can be successful. India’s appeal lies in it’s diversity, ditto for America. Pakistan needs not only to be secular but to have strong minority and women’s right. It needs to invite people of different faith so it’s people can get some exposure to the outside world. Sadly, right now most are “frogs of a well” (Kooain ke maindak). The frogs living in a well think that’s the entire world and nothing good exist outside. That’s what the Islamist believe and want to preach.
    Kids should be taught religion, all religion, comparative religion. Philosophy, literature, arts, music, etc,. And not brainwashed into being drones who lack critical thinking and are scared to even read about other beliefs.

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  44. My dear friends,

    Let me refresh your memory. You all know that on August 11, 1947 Mr. Jinnah in his 1st Presidential Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan said that religion has nothing to do with the business of the State. You may be pleased to read his full quote herein above at the start of this page. However, I have the honor to reproduce it here for the sake of your kind convenience and ready reference: “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the State.” – Jinnah.

    You may be pleased to observe that none of the Parliamentarians, till the writing of these lines, has deemed it fit and proper to heed the ideas of the founder of Pakistan on the relation of Religion and State. Thus, it is our humane duty that we must not forget August 11, 1947; that it is the time to remember this day; so, let us remember August 11, 1947. Let us do so in the name of the Universal Human Rights.

    What is the best constitutional, non-violent and peaceful way to remember August 11, 1947?

    I have the honor to propose that we must celebrate this DAY as The INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION.

    Let us request the United Nations to fix this 11th day of August as the INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION. .

    Let us start an active, effective, and meaningful movement at national and worldwide level carefully calculated to convince the United Nations to fix this 11th day of August as the INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION. .

    “INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION” will remind the civilized world that all the non-Muslims as well as non-believers of Pakistan are the HALF CITIZENS; so, they must be FULL CITIZENS at once. The first requirement to win the right of FULL CITIZENSHIP is to DEMAND repeal of the STATE RELIGION from the Constitution of Pakistan.

    Here I would like to share with you the quote of Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” So, let the good men and women do something. Let us make a DEMAND for and on behalf the Half-citizens of Pakistan. Demand is must. According to Frederick Douglass the State Power concedes nothing without a DEMAND. It never did and it never will. In short the DEMAND against the State Religion is must.

    In solidarity with the HALF CITIZENS of Pakistan, let us celebrate August 11 as the “INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION.” I hope that the celebration of such Day (IDASR) will set individuals and groups in motion to openly express their views against the State Religion of Pakistan. Let us urge all the countries of Europe and all the other civilized nations around the world including United Nations to recognize this DAY.

    I do hereby request you all the civilized citizens on this list to find time to visit the above website and honor it with your kind views carefully calculated to recognize August 11 as “INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION.”

    With best wishes and profound regards.

    Yours truly,

    G M Lakho

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  45. @ Ghulam Mustapha Lakho

    I am an Indian and it is improper for me to comment on the subject. I only wish to congratulate you on your clarity of vision and boldness of your initiative.

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    • My dear Iqbal Sahib,
      Thank you for your kind words. In my view it is NOT “improper” for you to comment “on the subject” on the ground that you are an Indian. The case is quite contrary in my view; it is MUST for you to comment in the interest of India. I urge you to please speak your mind “on the subject” in the interest of India; yes, please do it in your own interest. It is MUST for you to comment in the interest of whole humanity. Are you safe at the hands of State Religion of Pakistan? How? As I am your neighbor; so I would like to exercise my right to know. Are you safe at my hands? If no; how? The Sword of State Religion is in my hands! I hope that you may be pleased to recognize that I have right to know the concrete, solid and/or specific nature of the harmful or harmless effects of the State Religion of Pakistan on you. Let all the Humanists of India speak on the harmful or harmless effects of the State Religion of Pakistan on India and Indian sub-continent in the interest of Universal Human Rights.

      With best wishes and profound regards.

      Yours truly,
      (G M LAKHO)
      Advocate/Proposer of
      (1) THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION ,
      (2) THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE STATE RELIGION OF PAKISTAN &
      (3) THE MOVEMENT FOR RENAMING PAKISTAN AS INDUS REPUBLIC

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  46. Pubali

    July 27, 2010

    Absolutely say no to the State Religion of Pakistan. The very name “Pakistan” is a symbol of religious bigotry. A state cannot and shd not have any official religion. Unfortunately, only Muslim-majority states are still clinging on this antiquated notion of a state having a religion. It’s ridiculous and an affront to universal human rights.

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  47. My dear Pubali,
    Thank you for your kind words and support.
    With best wishes and profound regards.
    Yours truly,
    (G M LAKHO)
    Advocate/Proposer of
    (1) THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION ,
    (2) THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE STATE RELIGION OF PAKISTAN &
    (3) THE MOVEMENT FOR RENAMING PAKISTAN AS INDUS REPUBLIC

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    • Dear Pubali,
      I wouldnt blame the name Pakistan. It means only a country of the pure. Unfortunately the country is becoming filled with pure bigoted blind extremists being created by Mullas but the name Pakistan was given with good intentions.

      Yahya

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  48. My dear co-supporters,
    I had the honor to propose here to celebrate the 11th day of August as a PROTEST DAY under this Flag: “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION”. You all know that this is the day on which cause of action arose to us, to all the citizens of Pakistan; and that it is recurring day by day till the writing of these lines as our Parliament is not ready and willing to write in the Constitution these words: religion has nothing to do with the business of the state. We heard these words – religion has nothing to do with the business of the state – on the floor of the Constituent Assembly on the 11th day of August 1947; and it was the last day. Then, none of the parliamentarians even repeated on the floor of the parliament these words of Mr. M. A. Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan; thus, they have betrayed the citizens of Pakistan by depriving the non-Muslims and non-believers of the right of Full-Citizenship. The judiciary of Pakistan has not yet been pleased to treat this point as the point of public importance; so it has not taken suo moto action. The result is that the non-Muslims and non-believers are still Half-citizens of Pakistan in violation of the Universal Human Rights. Under these circumstances, there is no other legal, non-violent and peaceful remedy available to the Half-citizens of Pakistan except to appeal to the United Nations to take notice of this violation of Universal Human Rights; and to declare the 11th day of August as “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION”. Hence, appeal to the Humanists of the World to Unite against this curse of half-citizenship. Please SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT FOR RECOGNIZING “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION” BY THE UNITED NATIONS IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE HALF CITIZENS OF PAKISTAN. In the meanwhile, I have the honor to inform you, all the humanists that “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION is on Facebook”; please just click to LIKE this page; and from that page you may be pleased to access the related website and honor it with your kind messages.

    With best wishes and profound regards.

    Yours truly,
    (G M LAKHO)
    Advocate/Proposer of
    (1) THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION ,
    (2) THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE STATE RELIGION OF PAKISTAN &
    (3) THE MOVEMENT FOR RENAMING PAKISTAN AS INDUS REPUBLIC

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  49. (1)
    My dear Iqbal Sahib,
    Thank you for your kind words. In my view it is NOT “improper” for you to comment “on the subject” on the ground that you are an Indian. The case is quite contrary in my view; it is MUST for you to comment in the interest of India. I urge you to please speak your mind “on the subject” in the interest of India; yes, please do it in your own interest. It is MUST for you to comment in the interest of whole humanity. Are you safe at the hands of State Religion of Pakistan? How? As I am your neighbor; so I would like to exercise my right to know. Are you safe at my hands? If no; how? The Sword of State Religion is in my hands! I hope that you may be pleased to recognize that I have right to know the concrete, solid and/or specific nature of the harmful or harmless effects of the State Religion of Pakistan on you. Let all the Humanists of India speak on the harmful or harmless effects of the State Religion of Pakistan on India and Indian sub-continent in the interest of Universal Human Rights.

    (2)
    My dear Pubali,
    Thank you for your kind words and support.

    (3)
    My dear co-supporters,
    I had the honor to propose here to celebrate the 11th day of August as a PROTEST DAY under this Flag: “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION”. You all know that this is the day on which cause of action arose to us, to all the citizens of Pakistan; and that it is recurring day by day till the writing of these lines as our Parliament is not ready and willing to write in the Constitution these words: religion has nothing to do with the business of the state. We heard these words – religion has nothing to do with the business of the state – on the floor of the Constituent Assembly on the 11th day of August 1947; and it was the last day. Then, none of the parliamentarians even repeated on the floor of the parliament these words of Mr. M. A. Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan; thus, they have betrayed the citizens of Pakistan by depriving the non-Muslims and non-believers of the right of Full-Citizenship. The judiciary of Pakistan has not yet been pleased to treat this point as the point of public importance; so it has not taken suo moto action. The result is that the non-Muslims and non-believers are still Half-citizens of Pakistan in violation of the Universal Human Rights. Under these circumstances, there is no other legal, non-violent and peaceful remedy available to the Half-citizens of Pakistan except to appeal to the United Nations to take notice of this violation of Universal Human Rights; and to declare the 11th day of August as “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION”. Hence, appeal to the Humanists of the World to Unite against this curse of half-citizenship. Please SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT FOR RECOGNIZING “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION” BY THE UNITED NATIONS IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE HALF CITIZENS OF PAKISTAN. In the meanwhile, I have the honor to inform you, all the humanists that “THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION is on Facebook”; please just click to LIKE this page; and from that page you may be pleased to access the related website and honor it with your kind messages.

    With best wishes and profound regards.

    Yours truly,
    (G M LAKHO)
    Advocate/Proposer of
    (1) THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION ,
    (2) THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE STATE RELIGION OF PAKISTAN &
    (3) THE MOVEMENT FOR RENAMING PAKISTAN AS INDUS REPUBLIC

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  50. Dar G M Lakho Sahib,

    You must have formed an idea what I think about the matter when you read my post without my having to make a comment directly on the subject. With the Talibanist and Mullahist menace looming large on the horizon, it requires an extraordinary courage to make an initiative of this sort. Wish you all success in your endeavour

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  51. Bilal Ahmad

    August 8, 2010

    It is a historical fact that Pakistan was never achieved to make it a theocratic state, but it has really developed into one. The brutal face of religious extremism that we face today is the result of forgetting true concept of Quaid-e-Azam about Pakistan. I fully support the idea “say no to state religion”.

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    • My dear Bilal Ahmad sahib,
      Thank you for saying no to the State Religion of Pakistan. Let me take this opportunity to refresh your memory that 11th day of August is THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION.
      With best wishes and profound regards.
      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho

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  52. Lets also repeal 1974 and 1984 amendment against Ahmadi Muslims…unjustly declaring them non-muslims. Who is a Mulla to say that an Ahmadi although he says La ilaha illallah muhammadurusulalla actually means something else in a hear. These Mullas are claiming to be God as only God knows what is in the hearts.

    By actions Ahmadis have supported the creation of Pakistan, have fought in Kashmir by serving the army, made a special force called the Furqan force in 1947 and 65 war with India to protect and defend the border in kashmir along with the army. Won the first Nobel prize any muslim had won. Zafrullah Khan was the head of security councel of UN…one of the highest posts in the world.

    Look at what the image of Pakistan was further enhanced in the world by Pakistani Ahmadis…and look now what pakistan has become after supressing their rights…

    The state of Pakistan under the mulla influence doesnt allow them to build mosques, say azaan: call of prayer…or even “pose as a muslim”. How blatant human rights violation is this. This is your interpretation of Islamic state? As a result intolerance by the Mullas have increased and gone beyond to our brother Shia Muslims and even Sunni mosques being targetted by terrorism. Two christians were recently murdered in court for heresy before the start of trial. Is this your meaning of Islam. Compare this with the life of our beloved Holy Prophet (pbuh).
    In reality the “Islamic” state of Pakistan has become the highest degree of disservice to Islam and the Holy Prophet (pbuh). As a result we are even being punished by God…see the devastation from floods throughout the country.

    Open your eyes people. Stand up for the rights of all minorities….religious and social freedom and justice. Lets reform our legal system!

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  53. Today is the International Day Against State Religion

    Please remember that today is the 11th day of August; so, it is our humane duty to record our protest by celebrating it as the International Day Against State Religion.

    Please note:

    Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. – Frederick Douglass

    If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. – Bishop Desmond Tutu

    Society is composed of three simple categories: the killers, the victims, and the bystanders. – Elie Wiesel

    The need of the time is to take side ON PURPOSE.

    Humanists of the world unite, against State Religion in solidarity with Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. The State Religion of Pakistan has reduced all non-Muslims and non-believers of Pakistan to the level of HALF-CITIZENS.

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  54. Its funny the banner of this website uses a quote from Jinnah , on most occasions he used the argument of Islam:

    1)Come forward as servants of Islam, organise the people economically, socially, educationally and politically and I am sure that you will be a power that will be accepted by everybody.
    Muhammad Ali Jinnah

    2) Islam expect every Muslim to do this duty, and if we realize our responsibility time will come soon when we shall justify ourselves worthy of a glorious past.
    Muhammad Ali Jinnah

    3) Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope other will share with us.
    Muhammad Ali Jinnah

    4) We should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find free play.
    Muhammad Ali Jinnah

    5) You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of manhood in your own native soil.
    Muhammad Ali Jinnah

    While apparently Jinnah was secular in his personal life, for the development of the nation, he preferred the teachings of Islam. Ive read my self and I’m starting to believe that the true teachings of Islam teach the maximum tolerance especially towards the minorities. Getting rid of fake brainwashing scholars (belonging to any religion) is the need of the hour, not getting rid of religion.

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  55. Zia radicalized muslims, now we have terrorists. Are muslims free to choose their religion or not? Does Allah allow people to make their decisions based on their own principles or someone elses? If people follow what others tell them then what is the difference between this and slavery?
    Pakistan fought for independence from the British and the Hindus and if Pakistanis are not free then they will never be happy only misery will show. Look at the poverty, low education quality, low health quality. Every Pakistani is miserable from these interventionist Mullahs to Politicians who promise people Utopia. Ask yourself this how can a person decide what is right from you if he is 100’s of miles away from you? If we are not free to choose, then what remains of the divine plan? If people use guns instead of logic what will God say on the day of judgment to those who use weapons?

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  56. kashif Naser

    October 21, 2010

    Yup and See at Karachi
    What a secular triangle of MQM, ANP and PPP gave to Karachi, nothing but violence, massacre and ethnic bias. this triangle has so far killed more then 1000 people in Karachi, three times more then the terrorism in this year.

    Pakistan was made for Islam and it is impossible that a state which was made on religious background can be run without religious interference.

    The only which joint and unit the people of Pakistan is only the religion of Islam, other wise we are not same people, we have different geography, language, cultural and social structure.

    Pakistan cant be secular, even this is the government of secular triangle but they instead of their desire they are unable to do this.

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  57. How much time our Chief Justice needs in saying that State Religion of Pakistan violates liberty OF and FROM belief? May be less than 50 days.

    PM lauds SC verdict: Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani said today that the Supreme Court verdict of 18th Amendment has increased the honour of the Parliament. Lauding the SC verdict and terming it ‘positive’ one, the PM Gilani said the court proved that it values the Parliament highly, adding, ‘I have already said the ruling would be positive.’ – The News

    “When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ’tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” – Benjamin Franklin

    With best wishes and profound regards.

    Yours truly,

    (Ghulam Mustafa Lakho)
    Advocate/Proposer of
    (1) THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION ,
    (2) THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE STATE RELIGION OF PAKISTAN &
    (3) THE MOVEMENT FOR RENAMING PAKISTAN AS INDUS REPUBLIC

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  58. Dear Lakho

    Renaming the land of the pure for jahhiliyaa is something your co coreligionists will fight against.

    A people who have the folly of negating their own history will stop at nothing to obliterate the history of others.

    This has been the experience of most of the societies which came under Islam.

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  59. Hafez Shar

    October 26, 2010

    Dear Lakho, i as a resident of secular Sindh support u for throwing religion out ….. bt one thing that u have wrote abt renaming Pakistan, is like submerging d Sindhi nationhood as d whole Pakistan is nt Indus, it is merely d SINDH.

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  60. Religious people everywhere in the world have played dirty role in politics. Why seduce politicians politically and suppress their opponents forcefully….

    Mullas have proved to be stupid creatures. They have been trying to modifying the constitution of Pakistan since its been first put into practice. 1973 constitution contained many religious modifications which were just there to make these creatures happy.

    By these constitutional changes, Mullas caused one sect of Muslim community to expelled out of Islam which is Ahmadis.

    They actively conducted the movement and forced zia ul haq to stop Ahmadis to claim to be Muslim. Just go to islamic history and you will find that Prophet MUhammad and his Sahabs never declared anyone NonMuslim, who is declaring himself a Muslim.

    Mullas never found Article 248 in the article. If they found it they never think it is against Islam. They never debate on this issue. They never objected this…. and still they don’t feel its against Islam and Islamic spirit….Mullas are still enjoying ruling power shared with this present Govt.

    They are the most lustful ignorant people on this earth…. Just imagine if they get the control of Pakistan….

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    • You are right… Mulla is just after honey and money… they are the part of problem how can they help solve it

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  61. Why only NO to state religion … Say NO to all religion all type of baloney thinkings

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  62. “Why only NO to state religion … Say NO to all religion all type of baloney thinkings.”

    My dear Shazi Gul,
    Thank you for saying “NO to state religion”. However, it seems that you want to do more. It seems that you want to go ahead. Of course, it is one of your birth rights to “Say NO to all religion all type of baloney thinkings”. Who is stopping you to do so? What is the main hurdle in the way? I urge you to think about it. If, after thoughtful consideration, you come to the conclusion that “State Religion” is the MAIN obstacle; then, it may be must for you to undo “State Religion” from the Constitution of Pakistan. You must be treated as an equal citizen; no matter you are with or without your belief. You should not be treated as half-citizen due to your unbelief, of course, if there is any. All citizens, believers and unbelievers, must be treated equal and full citizens of this State. In the matters of belief and unbelief this State must be neutral; and that it should not take side of any one. The State should not promote belief as well as unbelief. Let a belief stand on its own legs; and that it should not borrow its legs from the State Power.
    The demand of justice, equity and fair play is that there must be free contest, game, match or sport between belief and unbelief in this STATE. The playground for both of them must be even. The playground should not be, on the one hand, uneven for unbelief; and, on the other hand, be even for belief. In other words, there must be equal opportunity for both, namely for belief and for unbelief here in this STATE. The Belief, if it needs that unbelief should pay respect to it; then, it should earn it. The belief should earn such respect by accepting the status of unbelief as equal player; and that such respect must not be one-sided, but it must be mutual.
    Twisting the arm of unbelief is not fair play at all. To coerce unbelief, or compel it to pay respect to belief on the point of Sword of Anti-blasphemy law is not an act of peace. A Sword is not the sign of peace. If a Sword is the sign of peace; then, the demand of peace may to give license of Sword to unbelief too. Let there be peace for belief and unbelief free from the Sword of Anti-blasphemy law.
    With best wishes and profound regards.
    Yours truly,
    G M Lakho

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    • Equal rights for all citizens in muslim countries are impossible. At least not possible when religion is playing big part in politics. Nonbelievers have never been treated as equal citizens in Islam. Since the beginning of islam, Nonbelievers were told to convert to islam, leave the place or pay special tax which was called jazia…..

      How will you convince religious politicians to deviate from this custom… Non believers are lucky in this country that religious parties are not that strong to rule and amend laws independently…otherwise they might not be able to enjoy the freedom they now have….

      “In 2009 in Hungu Sikh families left rakzai Agency after the Taliban demanded Rs 50 million as jizia (tax) from them. ”

      Religion teaches intolerance, extremism and superstitious way of thinking. Recent killing Governor Punjab is clear example of intolerance of opposing view points.

      We have to raise voice against all forms of stupidities which mostly come in the form of religions… This is the only way in my point of view to achieve human freedom of life….

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  63. Mohammed Iqbal

    January 1, 2011

    Dear Lakho Sahib,

    Delinking religion from the business of governance is a fine idea. But is that possible in Pakistan. Take for instance the case of Assia Beevi. Even if the higher courts set her free, do you think the Mullahs and their henchmen are going to let her live in peace? Do you think any government can talk about even amending (let alone repealing) the controversial blasphemy law? Out growing the legacy of Zia years is a daunting task.

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  64. Request to muslim brothers and sisters, no need to waste your time on this site , May Allah Guide the ignorant (Amee)

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    • Why Adam, it is called dialogue and trying to understand others views. People who say such things only want you to accept their views. Dialogue is a MAIN WORD in Islam, its people who have changed that word dialogue to “listen to me and my word”. Because dear Adam , a loving God loves us all equally and he wants us to dialogue and solve problems. The “old school interpretation” has not worked. Just because you want an Islamic state doesnt mean others do. Look at Iranian, if all of them came to this site, they would tell you”dont mix religion with politic”, it has ruined their country.

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  65. Mohiuddin

    January 18, 2011

    Eventhough simply ‘saying’ no to state religion cannot be expected produce much results, nonetheless I would like to join in. The gods continue to make mockery of humans who, holding an empty bowl over their shoulders, are bent upon destroying the very stage they are supposed to perform at. Lets, at least chant no to those self-demolishers.

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  66. Reply
  67. This Facebook page lets you express yourself in terms of religion.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Say-NO-to-Religion-and-YES-to-Spirituality/142458955818063

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  68. Express your view on religion and spirituality. Fo you think they are different from each other?

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Say-NO-to-Religion-and-YES-to-Spirituality/142458955818063

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  69. Without ISLAM there is no concept of state………..
    As world is created by ALLAH so Only and Alonly he is soverign and governer of whole world…….
    So their can only be his law and constitution implemented on earth every where.
    ………….BUT IT is delayed due to This Illiteracy you all people have shown….

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    • Bin Ismail

      August 9, 2011

      When you say, “Without ISLAM there is no concept of state”, do you mean to say that USA, China, Russia and UK are not states? Please enlighten us.

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  70. pakistanisgreat

    June 27, 2011

    i say that yes to Islam as a state religion
    dear you dont know i am i am saying that your point of view is totally wrong
    we should say that Islam should be the state religion
    you know why? why Pakistan is in deep trouble? why we Pakistani are in trouble because we are far away from our religion. Islam is the most beautiful religion of World if there is Islam then Pakistan can be the most beautiful and developed country of this world
    after the implementation of Islam in our country we can get any thing because its Islam which can implement everything in our country.
    we have a very beautiful example of Turkey which has become the most powerful, beautiful and developed country of this world reason is just that the religion of state is Islam.
    just read the History of Turkey You will know every thing that i am trying to say
    so wish you good luck for all those who dont think like me
    May Allah give u a positive thinking Ameen

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  71. pakistanisgreat

    June 27, 2011

    i say that yes to Islam as a state religion
    dear you dont know i am i am saying that your point of view is totally wrong
    we should say that Islam should be the state religion
    you know why? why Pakistan is in deep trouble? why we Pakistani are in trouble because we are far away from our religion. Islam is the most beautiful religion of World if there is Islam then Pakistan can be the most beautiful and developed country of this world
    after the implementation of Islam in our country we can get any thing because its Islam which can implement everything in our country.
    we have a very beautiful example of Turkey which has become the most powerful, beautiful and developed country of this world reason is just that the religion of state is Islam.
    just read the History of Turkey You will know every thing that i am trying to say
    so wish you good luck for all those who dont think like me
    May Allah give u a positive thinking Ameen
    Mahmood Saleem

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    • My dear Mahmood Saleem,
      Thank you for your views against this move. Of course, you are free to support or oppose this move. You have said in clear words “yes to Islam as State Religion”. Not only so; you have also been pleased to share the “example of Turkey”, which is “very beautiful example” in your eyes. Be that as it may, your views do not show that at the time of sharing your views here the Constitution of Turkey was before you; and that you were pleased to find time to read it with due care and attention. That may be the reason that you have not cared to refer relevant Article from the Constitution of Turkey so that one may be able to see that “Islam is the State Religion of Turkey”. Thus, it may be in the fitness of things to urge you to show here the relevant Article(s) from the Constitution of Turkey declaring that “Islam shall be the State Religion of Turkey”. You are also free to show here the proof that the name of the Constitution is the Constitution of “Islamic” Republic of Turkey; and that Turkey is the “Islamic” Republic. It may be of use to know as to how many times the word “Islam” finds its place in the Constitution of Turkey. Please show the same here soon, if there is any proof; then, you will receive the reply of all your points raised in your comment. We are waiting for your proof. Thank you once again for your feed back. No matter, your vote is against this move; the point that matters is that you cared to find out time for it.
      With best wishes and profound regards.
      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho

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    • Turkey is secular. Iranian do not like their Islamic state.There is no fairness. There is nothing wrong with religions living side by side, even sometimes they share events together in some countries (as a people, as humans) not as segregators and descriminators. At any rate for me it isnt about religion, it is about a country that represents all of its people fairly and equally. That we all have a voice. The same as this site is intended for. I admit I got off that subject, but I am for its call to separate the two. Because even in Turkey there is descrimination. I hope to see Pakistan be a friend to all of the world, every faith and country, this is my best wish.

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  72. 100% …i totally agree with u bro

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    • My dear Hina,
      Thank you for finding time to post your “100%” total agreement here. However, it does not say in clear words the point on which you “totally agree”. At the same time you have not been pleased to specify the name of the “bro” with which you “totally agree”. Be that as it may, as this Movement is against the State Religion, so it may be safe to assume that you have chosen to like it. You have liked to SAY NO TO THE STATE RELIGION. Please feel free to correct the assumption, of course, if you think that it is wrong assumption. You may be pleased to correct our wrong assumption, if any, just by saying NO or YES; for example, SAY (1) NO TO THE STATE RELIGION; or, SAY (2) YES TO THE STATE RELIGION. The said YES or NO will help us to know the true meaning of your words “100%…I totally agree with u bro.”
      With best wishes and profound regards.
      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho

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  73. Islam is a “total way of life.” It has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. Islam can never be separated from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes. The primary act of faith is to strive to implement God’s will in both private and public life. Muslims see that they, themselves, as well as the world around them, must be in total submission to God and his Will. Moreover, they know that this concept of His rule must be established on earth in order to create a just society. Like Jews and Christians before them, Muslims have been called into a covenant relationship with God, making them a community of believers who must serve as an example to other nations by creating a moral social order. God tells the Muslim global nation:
    “You are the best community raised for mankind, enjoining the right and forbidding the wrong…” (Quran 3:110)

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    • Raja Wahid

      October 11, 2011

      No religion can provide the so called ‘complete way of life’. Life is ever evolving and religions are stopped in time. This is more of a matter of belief than a reasonable conclusion arrived after a careful thought process.

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  74. amir jafri

    September 5, 2011

    http://preserveurdu.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/قائد-اعظم-کی-زندگی-کا-روحانی-پہلو

    This is a very important write up about our beloved Quaid-i-azam…This should put to rest all the evil propaganda being unleashed relentlessly by the english-medium westoxicated seularoon liberaloon and kanjaroon of Pakistan to turn Pakistan into an image of their vile selves.

    This will never be allowed to happen by muslims.

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    • I am of the view that many comments, including this comment, do not touch the point at issue. The point at issue is this:

      “Should the State have Religion? No. The reason is simple. You will agree that human beings have religion and that animal, bird, fish, and institutions including State and tools and etc., have no religion.”

      THEREFORE, the
      Article 2 of the Constitution of Pakistan, 1973 should be amended as under:

      “2. No religion of State. Religion shall have nothing to do with the business of State; and that the Parliament shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

      This proposal is based on the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah said on the 11th day of August 1947 in his First Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

      These eleven (11) words are: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State.

      One may see and read these eleven (11) words with due care and attention, which the administrators of this website have reproduced herein above for the sake of commentators’ and/or readers’ convenience and ready reference along with the Photo of Mr. Jinnah.

      It seems that the learned commentator has not deemed it fit and proper to read the proposal with due care and attention.

      If the learned commentator is of the view that s/he does not agree with the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah; then, s/he must feel free to say so in clear and simple words.

      However, s/he may be pleased to confine his or her comments within the four walls of the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State.

      Let us hope that such conduct of the learned commentators may be in the interest of civilized and friendly conversation.

      In the end, the link shared here by the learned commentator is not related to the point at issue; so, the learned administrators may be pleased to delete/remove it. Let it be clear to the learned commentator(s) that the point at issue is interested in the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State. Yes, interested in his eleven (11) words. That is all. Of course, one is free to say YES, or to say NO to his eleven (11) words. But, one must be specific and to the point; and, that is all.

      With best wishes and profound regards.

      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho

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    • No one is trying to make anyone a product of themselves. I dont see that going on in majority of Western news, they are very sensitive to Muslim issues, even NOT covering issues that may be sensitive to them, and yet are sometimes not as fair to the rest of people. There is no propaganda agianst Muslims. Some people will state their opinions but news itself about Islam doesnt happen. They dont talk about religions. They talk about issues. You need to quit being so sensitive. More false propaganda is ofnon Muslims in NEWS if you want to weigh the differences. NO ONE wants to change Muslims. People do fear radical Islam, not loving, caring Muslims. If it were all Muslims, they wouldnt be letting them live there, but they love many of their Muslims, because majority of all people are good. Im sorry Moderator, just had to clarify. There is nothing against Muslims, but we cant deny many problems do exist amongst Muslim countries, thus is the reason we see the news about it. In fact, most people are SO sympathetic to those Muslims being killed by their government. Please understand Amir, there is no anger against all Muslims, only radicals, including radicals of other faith

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    • Raja Wahid

      November 24, 2011

      One can re-hash Quaid-e-Azam any way one wants. His words and ideas occupy a wide spectrum between the two ends of secularism and religion. The problem is that the same people who thought that he was a secularist are now hell bent upon casting him as a quasi-mullah himself, wanting to establish a theocracy, much like that of Umar Ibn-e-Khitab, the second caliph of the first Muslim government. It is almost comical.

      In my view, the reason Pakistan has been failed state is that it is inhabited by a confused bunch which is at the same time very religious. Actually I support their cause to turn Pakistan into an ‘ideal Islamic state’. Let them keep trying and stay in misery.

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  75. WOW such a great initiative. lets be more exalted in your greatness and say no to Islam itself and say no to first Islamic state of Islam The Madina.

    i hope you people will surely be rewarded one day by your brothers Jews,Hindus and Christians for suppressing the hope of the muslim world to have an atomic power by there side.

    Keep it going you hypocrites

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    • Yes, you are free to say YES, or to say “no to Islam itself and say no to first Islamic state of Islam The Madina.” If you like to say NO; then, you must be treated as equal citizen of Pakistan by all practical means. All citizens, believers as well as non-believers, must be treated as equal citizens of Pakistan. No matter, a citizen of Pakistan may be Jew, Hindu, and/or Christian, etc., etc., he or she is equal brother and sister. In other words, all citizens of Pakistan, they may be believers of any religion including Islam, or they may be non-believers, are our equal brothers and sisters. There should be no discrimination of citizen on the basis of his or her belief or non-belief. That is all.

      In the meantime, I am of the view that many comments, including this comment, do not touch the point at issue. The point at issue is this:

      “Should the State have Religion? No. The reason is simple. You will agree that human beings have religion and that animal, bird, fish, and institutions including State and tools and etc., have no religion.”

      THEREFORE, the
      Article 2 of the Constitution of Pakistan, 1973 should be amended as under:

      “2. No religion of State. Religion shall have nothing to do with the business of State; and that the Parliament shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

      Once again I am obliged to repeat that this proposal is based on the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah uttered on the 11th day of August 1947 in his first address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

      These eleven (11) words are: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State.

      One may see and read these eleven (11) words with due care and attention, which the administrators of this website have reproduced herein above for the sake of commentators’ and/or readers’ convenience and ready reference along with the Photo of Mr. Jinnah.

      It seems that the learned commentator has not deemed it fit and proper to read the proposal with due care and attention.

      If the learned commentator is of the view that s/he does not agree with the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah; then, s/he must feel free to say so in clear and simple words.

      However, s/he may be pleased to confine his or her comments within the four walls of the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State. One may hope that such conduct of the learned commentators may be in the interest of civilized and friendly conversation.

      Let it be clear to the learned commentator(s) that the point at issue is interested in the eleven (11) words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State. Yes, interested in his eleven (11) words. That is all. Of course, one is free to say yes, or to say no to his eleven (11) words. But, one must be specific and to the point; and, that is all.

      With best wishes and profound regards.

      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho

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  76. Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

    October 9, 2011

    If you want secular Pakistan then you should remove the boundary between Pakistan and India.
    It means to put the deaths of thousands of Muslims and efforts of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Iqbal, and other leaders in waste.
    Islamic ideology is basics of Pakistan.

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    • Bin Ismail

      April 1, 2012

      The U.S. and Canada are, both, secular states. The have a boundary between them and are also mutually friends.

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      • Bin Ismail

        April 1, 2012

        CORRECTION: Please read as:

        The U.S. and Canada are, both, secular states. The[y] have a boundary between them and are also mutually friends.

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  77. @Islamic Republic of Pakistan

    Anyone who approves of the name “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” should be tried under the Blasphemy Law of Pakistan. To call Pakistan “Islamic” is the greatest insult that can be done to Islam. How can you call a state that is guilty of gross human rights violations and discrimination against its own citizens Islamic? You, as a country are anything but Islamic.

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  78. You haven’t posted anything for a long time … is this blog dead ?

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    • Thank you for your time. The fact is that you did care to visit this blog. We count on your visit. What is more, you were pleased to ask question. The habit of asking questions is dear to us. We may be able to answer or may not be able to answer your questions; yet, we do worship such habit. We do love such habit. Our hearts bid us to bow down before such habit. Please feel free to call us worshipers of questions. Let such habit has a last laugh on our globe. We do wish that you will never say goodbye to such habit. The reason is that such habit will keep you alive in your life. It is just an essence of humanness in human.

      You did care to post your question on this blog. It, your act of kindness, proves that it is not “dead”. This blog is just a van of an IDEA. It would be difficult for one to prove the death of any IDEA. No matter, an IDEA may be full of health, or it may be harmful for certain sections of given society; one must keep in mind certain social conditions, which give birth to it. One must know the root cause of an IDEA.

      IDEAS do not fall down from sky. IDEA is just a property of Human mind. It does not come in Human mind thanks to any non-Human being.

      There may be force in the saying of John F. Kennedy: A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on.

      Mark Twain said: A person with a new idea is a crank until the idea succeeds.

      Oscar Wilde said: An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all.

      Sigmund Freud said: Men are strong so long as they represent a strong idea they become powerless when they oppose it.

      Thomas A. Edison said: The value of an idea lies in the using of it.

      Victor Hugo said: All the forces in the world are not so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

      Earl Nightingale said: Everything begins with an idea.

      Elbert Hubbard said: The idea that is not dangerous is not worthy of being called an idea at all.

      Clarence Darrow said: The origin of the absurd idea of immortal life is easy to discover; it is kept alive by hope and fear, by childish faith, and by cowardice.

      Ovid said: A new idea is delicate. It can be killed by a sneer or a yawn; it can be stabbed to death by a quip and worried to death by a frown on the right man’s brow.

      Euripides said: He was a wise man who originated the idea of God.

      Thomas Carlyle said: Show me the person you honor, for I know better by that the kind of person you are. For you show me what your idea of humanity is.

      Anatole France said: If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

      Anatole France said: The greatest virtue of man is perhaps curiosity.

      Mohandas Gandhi said: An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.

      In the end, I have the honor to submit here the point for your kind consideration:

      Are you interested, truly, to know the real EXPRESSION of the WILL of the voters in future General Elections?

      If yes; then, please do not hesitate to support the demand for “none of the above” option on ballot paper: .

      Please request, in your own interest, to the fellow voters, which may be really interested in seeing the true EXPRESSION of the WILL of the VOTERS, to visit this page on Face Book, LIKE it, and invite all friends.

      The name of the page on Face Book is: Demand “none of the Above” Option on ballot paper.

      With best wishes and profound regards.

      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho

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  79. I dream and fully support a secular state where religion is not a matter of state but a matter of choice. Where any one can reason and change or leave their religion and still entitled to same rights as any other citizen. We have large number of people in this country who have questioned their religion and already left it but they keep quite about it. State should not force things that don’t make sense to interlectual brains. My full support to Freedom and free thinking.

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  80. If Pakistan was not created in the name of Islam, then what was the purpose of creation of Pakistan ?

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    • I am glad to see that now there is no dearth of people coming up with this question: “what was the purpose of creation of Pakistan?” Of course, it is a healthy sign. It shows that they are seekers of truth. What is the ABC of seeking truth? To say goodbye to all preconceived ideas or notions. It means to say goodbye to all prejudgments. If they are ready and willing to make inquiry free from all prejudices, I am sure that the day will come soon when they may be able to find out the correct answer of this question. In this respect, I suppose that they may seek some help of those religious parties or persons, which had opposed the “creation of Pakistan”. If some THINKS that my “supposition” is wrong then s/he may feel free to ignore it.

      It is the mark of healthy mind to be able say that all citizens are equal. A healthy mind must not say that all citizens are EQUAL but certain set of citizens is MORE equal than other citizens. A healthy mind must be able say that Quadianis are our brothers and sisters, so they must be legally recognized as EQUAL citizens of Pakistan. A healthy mind must be able to say that the same equal right must be legally recognized for our Christian brothers and sisters, for our Jews brothers and sisters, for our Hindu brothers and sisters, and/or for our all non-believer brothers and sisters.

      Pakistan may be or may not be “created in the name of Islam”; or it may be created for Muslims but it may not be “created” for Islam or it may be “created” for something else. To seek the answer of these points needs a mind liberated from all forms of favor and fear. One must note that here our concern is to demand legal recognition of EQUAL status of all citizens as stated herein above paragraph in the light of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

      Yet, one point is clear that Pakistan was not created FOR Islam as STATE RELIGION. The proof is eleven (11) words of Mr. M.A. Jinnah expressed by him on the 11th day of August 1947 in the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan. These eleven (11) words are: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State. It clearly means to say no to Islam as State Religion.

      To say no to Islam as State Religion does not mean to say no to Islam as religion.

      A healthy mind must be able to know the difference between Islam as religion and Islam as STATE RELIGION. It seems that people will take time to know such difference between Islam as religion and Islam as State Religion. There is no dearth of Muslims who believe that Islam does not need the legs of State Power, namely, Police, Army, guns, swords, CID, F.I.A., I.S.I. (spying), prisons etc., etc.

      In the end, I would like to share here the words of Benjamin Franklin:

      “When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ’tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” – Benjamin Franklin

      With best wishes and profound regards.
      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho

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      • Very well put! IT IS INDEED healthy to accept each others as humans, PERIOD. Acceptance means to not be arrogant and think we are better or one faith is better. A person can love GOD but take religion TOO FAR. That is why it is better to refrain from religious rule. Bring all the people to the table to represent their area. Working together for a purpose, a goal that will include every person is the key to success. Hope this happens for a country filled with good people. I truly believe that the majority of the people in the world are good people and if you think about it, it is truly amazing. We all have good and bad ones in every country, culture and religion. It is our duty as the majority, to bring those who hurt society to the forefront and guide them to better ways via dialogue and resolution. That includes Christian, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhists and no faith. The good people from all aspects of life should teach those struggling a kinder path, not by forcing religion down their throats, but by simply being a good human with a caring attitude with positive actions, not just words.

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  81. Totally agree that religion is an INDIVIDUAL choice. If you believe in God, then you will walk the path even without belonging to an organized religion. You can be moral without religion. For those who love religion it is fine too , as long as it doesnt infringe on others rights. To KILL someone because they left a religion is blasphemous in itself. A loving and kind God would not preach this hatred. Good religious love their enemy and pray for them, they dialogue peacefully to reach their means. You can be good to others and be better than some who proclaim to be religious, without being part of any religion. If you live in a free democracy, with or without a religion and you can avoid temptations or wrong doings against others, then to me you are a stronger person for living the good path, and God will see that. But I think God will forgive our sins if we try to start over by being good people and not calling others infidels for not believing in ONE FAITH.We will all be judges as individuals based on our actions on earth, not by what religion we follow or what country we come from. People need to quit blaming the WEST and Israel or India or whoever else for their own complacencies and failures. We are responsible for our own actions and until we realize it, we will be forever doomed. Let all good people live together no matter what faith, culture or country they come from, but have one law for all of them-the law of peace and order, fairness and equality for all. It is up to us as a people. God is watching. He knows we cant be judge and jurty for someones entrance into paradise, for he alone is JUDGE and JURY. Separation of religion and state is the FAIR way of a FAIR and loving GOD. God judges us on our choices to how we act on earth. Those who commit terrorism will be judged harshly and those who support it or the groups will be as well. They should seek forgiveness by changing their ways, its never too late. Peace in the world depends on all of us to dialogue and care more about each other as humans. I love all people in the world, no matter what country or religion or no religion.

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  82. Yet remove this then our Pakistani society dies a miserable death…. we might as well hand our self back to India.

    Pakistan was created in opposition to Secularism.

    I live in West – and see the destruction at first rate secularism has caused. Copying West is not the way.

    “Yet, one point is clear that Pakistan was not created FOR Islam as STATE RELIGION. The proof is eleven (11) words of Mr. M.A. Jinnah expressed by him on the 11th day of August 1947 in the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan. These eleven (11) words are: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State. It clearly means to say no to Islam as State Religion. ”

    It isn’t Jinnah who makes Pakistan a Muslim state… But Iqbal. It is Iqbal’s genius that recognised that Jinnah is the man to lead and create Pakistan.

    It is idiotic to argue that Pakistan was not created primarily because of Islam. I will do everything to counter Secularism.

    There is no disease worse that it. Proof – the West.

    —-

    Under the guise the question are always to free morals from restrictive Islam to Secular freedom. Just take one notion.

    Freedom of sex – no need for marriage as institution. This has destroyed and crippled West. Blog comments are not the place for a long discussion. Just let me create a blog in opposition.

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    • What should be the relation of State and Religion?

      Please look at the views of Mr. M.A. Jinnah and Allama Iqbal on this point.

      (1) The Pakistan of Mr. M.A. Jinnah: religion has NOTHING to do with the business of the State.

      (2) The Pakistan of Allama Iqbal: religion has EVERYTHING to do with the business of the State.

      Please try to find out the difference; then, take side.

      On the relation of State and Religion:

      (A) Are you with Mr. M.A. Jinnah on this point? He said: NOTHING. Or
      (B) Are you with Allama Iqbal on this point? He said: EVERYTHING.
      (C) Both are clear on this point.

      It may be safe to say that you cannot be with both on this point. Just THINK!

      With best wishes and profound regards.

      Yours truly,
      G M Lakho
      Advocate
      Supreme Court

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  83. Noman Mahmood

    March 16, 2012

    Islam is not a religion. Its a Deen. Please check out the dictionary and encyclopedia for the meaning. A Deen comprises of everything one could think of including the political system. Those who reject Islam as a Deen are going against Quran and Sunnah. The Shariah cannot be over ruled by Secular state. Those Muslims who say that there Man-Made Law is better than the God-Given Law and their human rationality can prevail the ultimate Revelation then there is no bigger Sin than this. A Muslim is not a Muslim after thinking of this. And other than that all the sects of Islam has consensus on basic Laws that should govern the state.
    From society point of view Islamic state allows secularism for different religions but Islamic state’s law itself is not secular neither it is a secular state. Donot mix society with state. Laws are different and freedom to worship ones own religion is different.
    The epistemological consensus between all the scholars of the west and east on secular state is that there cannot be one definite law which they are striving for to do so. In their own hearts they know the one definite law is Quran only.

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  84. Dark Knight

    March 16, 2012

    @ Noman Mahmood

    //Islam is not a religion. Its a Deen.//
    Pray tell us what the difference between “Religion” and “Deen” is. For your kind information, I’ve checked the dictionary. All I can tell you is that in Arabic Islam is a “Deen” – in English a “Religion”.

    //A Deen comprises of everything one could think of including the political system. Those who reject Islam as a Deen are going against Quran and Sunnah.//
    What about Traffic Rules? Does any religion tell you to go at the green light, get ready at the yellow and stop at the red light. Aren’t these man-made laws? Hasn’t God blessed us with the gift of intelligence and reason? Religion does, of course give us the broad outlines and values and lays down the basic principles. The rest we have to figure out for ourselves.

    //The Shariah cannot be over ruled by Secular state. //
    Who will interpret the Shariah – the Barelvi ulema, the Deobandi ulema or the Shia ulema?

    //Those Muslims who say that there Man-Made Law is better than the God-Given Law…//
    Those who care even two hoots about the God-given Law, will be honest, upright, truthful, kind, humble, modest and caring. What bars you from being so? You don’t need legislation for that.

    //In their own hearts they know the one definite law is Quran only.//
    In my heart, I know that the Quran is true and I openly proclaim what is in my heart. But I have no right to impose what I believe on others or to judge those who do not share my belief as wrong.

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  85. There is no concept of religious state in the world even Israel not claim a Jews state but Israel is Jews majority country this a foolish concept because in any state people live with different
    faith how can you deal with same manners the common peoples think about secularism that it is a religion but no no no secularism is a behaviour, respect of all religion

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  86. Noman Mahmood

    March 17, 2012

    @ Dark Knight.
    Argument is of no use. You should ask the distinction of madhub and deen from Political theorists. Everything I said after that will be cleared to you.

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  87. Noman Mahmood

    March 17, 2012

    @ Dark knight, kindly go through the video.

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  88. Dark Knight

    March 21, 2012

    I agree with Dr Israr Ahmad when he says that the word “Mazhab” is mentioned nowhere in the Quran or Hadees. However, I do not agree with him when he claims that the word “Deen” means a sociopolitical system. Let me give you an example. If you recall, before we had machine-readable passports in Pakistan, the passport particulars were printed in Urdu, English and Arabic. Where it said “Religion of Passport holder”, the Arabic read as “Deen-ul-hamil”. Obviously, “Deen-ul-hamil” here did not mean “Sociopolitical system of passport holder”. Whatever, Dr Israr may believe, in the Arabic language, the only word for “Religion” is “Deen”.

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  89. Dark Knight

    March 27, 2012

    We should recall that the Quran tells us there should be no element of compulsion in matters of faith and belief. “There is no Compulsion in Religion” is what the Quran declares unequivocally [Quran 2:256]. The moment you start talking about a State Religion, you open the doors to “Enforcing” Religion which is simply another form of “Compulsion”. This means that that the very concept of a State Religion is in conflict with the teachings of the Quran.

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  90. Bin Ismail

    March 31, 2012

    States – all states – have their own particular political motives and ambitions and these motives are not always noble or even benign. It is for the purpose of legitimizing their mundane and at times profane plans, that some worldly states are tempted to use the tool of Religion, thereby winning justification for their policies and it is essentially with this intention that a state is prompted to adopt a State Religion. A state – any state – should as a matter of principle, be concerned with treating all its citizens equally and granting all of them equal religious freedom. To this end, State and Religion must indeed be separated.

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  91. Action Alert! Please sign this petition in solidarity with the victims of the State Religion of Pakistan, namely, non-Muslims and non-believers. Let the United Nations recognize “The International Day Against State Religion”. — The Secretary-General, United Nations: Recognize “The International Day Against State Religion”

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  92. roni kumar

    April 23, 2012

    I m 100% agree with you Ghulam Mustafa Lakho Sahib.Slaute to ur efforts.we are with u.

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  93. My dear Humanists,

    The administrator of this webpage has been pleased to allow YouTube Talk link herein above of Dr Israr Ahmad, which is, in my humble view, not relevant to this campaign against the State Religion of Pakistan. I suggest that the same may be removed being irrelevant. However, if the learned administrator for the reasons best to him or her (as may be the case) is not inclined to remove it; then, on the principle of consistency I may be allowed to post the link of the petition referred herein above so that all the Humanists on this list may be able to sign it in solidarity with the victims of the State Religion of Pakistan, namely, non-Muslims and non-believers.

    Here is the link of the Petition: The Secretary-General, United Nations, Recognize “The International Day Against State Religion” .

    I hope this link will appear with this comment, and that it will not be forced to disappear from this comment. It would be violation of my rights; I do not claim any special right for me, but I claim the same right, which has already been allowed to Dr Israr Ahmad.

    In case, the administrator of this webpage does not feel inclined to accept my submission grounded on the principle of consistency as s/he has already allowed YouTube Talk link of Dr Israr Ahmad; then, I have no option except to urge you

    Please click on my name herein above and it will lead you to the website of Change Org where you will find my petition, the secretary general united nations, recognize international day against state religion.

    Or

    You may be pleased to google these words: Petition International Day Against State Religion.

    The google will show you the website of Change Org. You may click the Change Org, read the petition The Secretary-General, United Nations: Recognize “The International Day Against State Religion”, and SIGN it.

    Then, you all, being honorable co-signatories of this petition may request the administrator of this website to post it here on this website enabling its Humanist members to sign it.

    With best wishes and profound regards.

    Yours truly,
    G M Lakho

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  94. My dear Humanists,

    I have noted with my aching heart that the link of the petition was not linked with the above comment for the reasons best known to the website administrators/controllers.

    Petition: The Secretary-General, United Nations, Recognize “The International Day Against State Religion”.

    Now, I urge you please find time to click on my name, visit the Change Org, and SIGN the petition.

    With best wishes and profound regards,

    Yours truly,

    G M Lakho
    Advocate
    Supreme Court of Pakistan

    PS:

    At the same time, I have the honor to share with you the contents of the petition here for your convenience and ready reference:

    “Petition for recognizing “The International Day Against State Religion” by the United Nations in solidarity with victims of the State Religion, namely, non-Muslims and non-believers of Pakistan.

    ‘To,
    The Secretary-General,
    United Nations,
    UN Headquarters,
    New York.

    ‘Please take active, effective and meaningful steps for recognizing “The International Day Against State Religion” by the United Nations in solidarity with victims of the State Religion, namely, non-Muslims and non-believers of Pakistan.

    “The life of non-Muslims and non-believers of Pakistan is as good as hell thanks to the “State Religion” of Pakistan. Thus, the need of the time is to declare that the “State Religion” is hit by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    “The eleven (11) words of Mr. M.A. Jinnah, the Founder of Pakistan, are on the record: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State. Thus, he spoke on August 11, 1947 in his 1st Presidential Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan against the “State Religion”.

    “None of the members of the Parliament of Pakistan has cared to pay respect to the eleven (11) words of Mr. M.A. Jinnah, the Founder of Pakistan since August 11, 1947. The proof is the “State Religion” in the Constitution of Pakistan.

    “None of the Parliamentarians of Pakistan is ready and willing to heed the ideas of the Founder of Pakistan on the relation of Religion and State.

    “Under these facts and circumstances, it may be the humane duty of United Nations to recognize and celebrate the 11th day of August, 1947 as the INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION in the name of the Universal Human Rights in solidarity with non-Muslims and non-believers of Pakistan.

    “Let the United Nations come for the help of the victims of the “State Religion” in Pakistan as well as around the globe. And, let the 11th day of August, 1947 be recognized as the INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION.”

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  95. Hasnain Ali Raza

    June 13, 2012

    we are with you sir

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  96. Dr. Khalid Naeem

    February 10, 2013

    Dear GM Lakho
    Religion should be a private matter and it should be nothing to do with business of State. Please carry on this mission of humanity.

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    • Dear Hasnain Ali Raza sahib & Dr. Khalid Naeem sahib, thank you for your kind comment and support. At the same time, please sign and share this petition. With best wishes and profound regards. Yours truly, G M Lakho, ASC

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  97. Sonia Wahab

    February 13, 2013

    I want my right to live in Pakistan without oppressive fear of Big Brother. I say NO to Islam.

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  98. Dear Humanists, please sign and share this petition: The Secretary-General, United Nations, Recognize “The International Day Against State Religion”. It will just take few seconds. Please find time to click on my name, and it will take you to the website. Thanks and regards.

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  99. Syeda Nooria Rizvi

    March 12, 2013

    Na isahi, musmalman, hindu, ahmadi ya sikh, sabse pehle hum Pakistani

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    • “Na isahi, musmalman, hindu, ahmadi ya, sikh, sabse pehle hum” INSAAN.

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      • Agree, after being Pakistan what now?
        Is Pakistani a system?
        are pakistani or natives of any country capable of creating a proper system for everyone?

        No!, no human on this planet earth is able to create selflessness system for everyone, not even Muslims, because Muslims are human too.

        But, ALLAH Himself has given us a complete system known as Deen e Islam, and sent his beloved prophet S.A.W to teach teachings of ALLAH i.e, Quran and ALLAH.

        And Hazrat Umar R.A has shown a bold example of perfect system one can live in by following Islamic System,

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        • Patrick

          July 28, 2015

          Let me know, how can you be sure that Islam is the best religion, the best way of life, if there is plenty of other religions and many emerged before (and many after) the revelation of Quran? Why did prophet Muhammed (PBUH) did not namely mention in Quran taoists, who were a large group in ancient China, or buddhists, who were much larger group than Christians and Jews in Mohammeds times? If Quran were revealed by Allah, then it would not mention just Christianity and Judaism by name, it would probably mention all the substantial religions and their realtion to Allah, because Allah is all-knowing, all-seing. So, wasn’t the revelation influenced by personal experience of prophet Muhammed (PBUH)? And if it was…. well, you will make the conclusion on your own. Why is at the same sura mentioned that Christians are the best friends of believers and (few verses below) that they are traitors and enemies? Why is wine forbiddend at one place in Quran and promised as the paradise pleasure at another? Or, about the 72 virgins…. is it in accordance to the life muslims should live on earth? Why is not the best behaviour in earthly life defined in the same way as the best behaviour in the paradise? To test peoples’ will? Erm, the best behaviour should be the same on the earth and in the heavens. You do not find in Bible that people should be pious while living and subsequently that they have the right to fuck around with 72 virgins in the heavens. At least, Bible is consistent in this, although you could find logical flaws in it too.
          I am not christian, muslim, ….. I would simply say: whoever believes, let him believe. However, i DO NOT KNOW whether there is any God and if he is there, what form or intention he(she) has.

          So, if you believe that Allah is the God and Muhammad is his messenger – good for you, because religion helps the cowards not to fear the end of life, but do not force it on anybody.

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  102. INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION – AUGUST 11

    Please attend this Online Event in solidarity with non-Muslim and non-believer victims of the State Religion and invite all your friends to attend it: 4th International Day Against State Religion – August 11, 2013 by clicking this link if allowed by the web adminstrator of my name: [https://www (DOT) facebook (DOT) com/events/480751185326929/].
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  103. Jameel Ahmad

    April 11, 2014

    No state in the world should have a religion. It should be a personal matter. I have seen Pakistan when we were small children and there was less hue and cry over religion, but with the passage of time the people or leaders who couldn’t make a place for them in some other profession started exploiting the innocent ignorant people for exploitation only. Islam is destroying us. For me, a christian, a hindu, a shia, an ahmadi or a deobandi etc. are equally respectful unless they dont try to force their untested ideas upon me. The more Islam is coming to Pakistan, the more sufferings are coming to us, so much so that cell phones have become a propaganda machinery of religions. People don’t believe in the good teachings of religion, they just pretend to be good Muslims in the eyes of others. I know that out of 10000 people in Pakistan, hardly one has ever tried to do his personal search on these matters. As far as islam is concerned how many people in Pakistan has seriously tried to know the truth from Islamic history. I cannot see even a single year in the full history of Islam when there was justice. Everywhere blood blood and blood and sex sex and sex. History of other religions is not different from Islam, they were the same brutes like us. So please religion should not come in the matters of the state, and the state law should be above the sharia law.
    But to add this, i do not mean that we should destroy our values as the west has done. Western countries too are not that good to live, but Pakistan is our love, our hope, it should remain secular and all the Pakistanis should be allowed to act according to their faith in their personal lives. We have enough religion, enough is enough. Absolutely NO to mullaism which is growing in every home there.

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  104. Dear fellow travelers,
    Please attend this Online Event and invite all Humanists within your reach to attend it in solidarity with non-Muslim and non-believer victims of the State Religion: 5th International Day Against State Religion – August 11, 2014 [https://www (.) facebook (.) com/events/1459149754322696]. Thanks and regards. Yours truly, G M Lakho, ASC

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  105. Anyone who talks about taking Islam out of government commits shirk. Islam is not a religion its a deen. its a way of life. Modern secular state is nothing but a kafir state. ALLAH sent down laws and modern secular state is changing those laws. US and Europe s secular states have legalized homosexuality and same sex marriages. Is that progress. Do we have no shame.

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    • Patrick

      July 28, 2015

      Taukeer, it is a sign of maturity to let people live the way they want, unless they harm the others (or threaten to do so).
      Homosexuals have hard times, even in the western societies. If something like that happened to you or to your child, you could chose from just 4 % of the population, contrary to normal heterosexual. That is already difficulty. And although homosexuals have their rights protected in the West, they certainly have no easy life. If homosexuality is a disease – and you, islamists, would like to cure it with death, why are not all the homosexuals already vanished? OK, let us pretend that homosexuality is a virus (which it is not, people are born to be homosexuals, unfortunately). Why then people do not get infected and we do not see an epidemic of homosexuality? I am not homosexual nor do I like them (or anybody) to publicly display their love (kissing each other or so).

      Let me know, how can you be sure that Islam is the best religion, the best way of life, if there is plenty of other religions and many emerged before (and many after) the revelation of Quran? Why did prophet Muhammed (PBUH) did not namely mention in Quran taoists, who were a large group in ancient China, or buddhists, who were much larger group than Christians and Jews in Mohammeds times? If Quran were revealed by Allah, then it would not mention just Christianity and Judaism by name, it would probably mention all the substantial religions and their realtion to Allah, because Allah is all-knowing, all-seing. So, wasn’t the revelation influenced by personal experience of prophet Muhammed (PBUH)? And if it was…. well, you will make the conclusion on your own. Why is at the same sura mentioned that Christians are the best friends of believers and (few verses below) that they are traitors and enemies? Why is wine forbiddend at one place in Quran and promised as the paradise pleasure at another? Or, about the 72 virgins…. is it in accordance to the life muslims should live on earth? Why is not the best behaviour in earthly life defined in the same way as the best behaviour in the paradise? To test peoples’ will? Erm, the best behaviour should be the same on the earth and in the heavens. You do not find in Bible that people should be pious while living and subsequently that they have the right to fuck around with 72 virgins in the heavens. At least, Bible is consistent in this, although you could find logical flaws in it too.
      I am not christian, muslim, ….. I would simply say: whoever believes, let him believe. However, i DO NOT KNOW whether there is any God and if he is there, what form or intention he(she) has.

      So, if you believe that Allah is the God and Muhammad is his messenger – good for you, because religion helps the cowards not to fear the end of life, but do not force it on anybody.

      Reply
  106. Dear fellow travelers,
    Please attend this Online Event and invite all your friends to attend it in solidarity with non-Muslim and non-believer victims of the State Religion: 6th International Day Against State Religion – August 11, 2015 [https://www(.) facebook(.) com/events/463152220499062]. Thanks and regards. Yours truly, G M Lakho, ASC

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  107. Muhammad Muzammil

    March 6, 2016

    Hi Mustafa. I am support your initiative. Since I moved outside Pakistan I realised the reason why many mnc’s are not willing to invest in Pakistan and why no great scientist and engineers or professors want to come in Pakistan is due to state religion. We can only come close to India if we become secular state. We need foreigners brain as well to advance in science and technology

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  109. Religion should have no say in the affairs of a state. What we believe or not is our personal state of mind. State must not interfere in my personal deeds. Once we separate the state and religion we will progress. This happened in Europe and all other countries in the past and this is true in Pakistan as well. We will have to ban religious political parties in order to move forward without any prejudice. We can progress only when we are free from religious baloney.

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